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[Politics] Assisted dying



DavidinSouthampton

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Tom Hark Preston Park said:
I know that. They do wonderful work. Many would like the option tho of opting out while they still resemble the person their loved ones loved
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And there are still instances where people die in excruciating pain despite palliative care efforts. They talked to a man who couldn’t pluck up the courage to put a pillow over his wife’s face on the news this week to end her suffering - pluck up the courage to is a poor choice of words, I can’t remember exactly what he said, but those looking on suffer too, poor bloke.
 




drew

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JetsetJimbo said:
Disabled Person: Hello there, British State. I'm disabled and need some support, with which I could live a dignified and fulfilling life.
British State: Hi there Disabled Person. Sorry, we don't have the budget to offer you the support you need for a dignified and fulfilling life. Can we interest you in a dignified death instead?

This is a dark day.
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Many don't share that distorted impression of giving people with a terminal diagnosis of 6 months a choice. There is no reference to just being disabled.
 


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dsr-burnley said:
Part of the bill states that if the checks are not in place, it will go ahead in 2 years' time regardless.

The checks can't be in place by then, if ever. How are two doctors going to get to know the person concerned, and his or her family, well enough to assess whether the person has been coerced? It's supposed to be done within three weeks. The most we can hope for as the doctor's own patient is to get a telephone appointment within three weeks; how is a stranger going to get such a lengthy series of consultations?
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I believe this will get changed at somepoint, some amendments will be put In.

I also believe we will see some push back from doctors in the near future as they are the ones making the calls and some are very unhappy with this, especially over the idea they are going to be in the position to having to suggest it
 


Thunder Bolt

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Kinky Gerbil said:
I believe this will get changed at somepoint, some amendments will be put In.

I also believe we will see some push back from doctors in the near future as they are the ones making the calls and some are very unhappy with this, especially over the idea they are going to be in the position to having to suggest it
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I have read posts from doctors who aren’t happy about being asked, stating it goes against the Hippocratic Oath.
 


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Kinky Gerbil said:
I believe this will get changed at somepoint, some amendments will be put In.

I also believe we will see some push back from doctors in the near future as they are the ones making the calls and some are very unhappy with this, especially over the idea they are going to be in the position to having to suggest it
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On the other hand, I dare say there will be other doctors (private ones) who will specialise in assisted dying, and who will (for a fee) make all the necessary certifications.
 






heathgate

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I have just sat bedside with my Father in Law in Worthing, for the best part of 5 months May until Oct... he had extended Cancer originating with Prostate, eventually spreading to his bones in his groin and spine.

He was sent home from hospital in May with prognosis of "weeks rather than months"...... we had fantastic support from the hospice teams right to the end, which was 5 Oct...

However, his pain relief and personal care regime did nothing other than preserve him in his bed, most of the time in a medicated sleep state,.. for 5 months. In his rare lucid times, he repeatedly said that you wouldn't let a dog 'live' like this.....

So yes, from recent, real life experience, ... I wholeheartedly support this bill.
 


fly high

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Kinky Gerbil said:
I believe this will get changed at somepoint, some amendments will be put In.

I also believe we will see some push back from doctors in the near future as they are the ones making the calls and some are very unhappy with this, especially over the idea they are going to be in the position to having to suggest it
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Think there are MPs who voted for the bill but want to change the part which says someone from the medical profession can suggest it to a patient. I agree with them, must be changed.
 




Washie

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heathgate said:
I have just sat bedside with my Father in Law in Worthing, for the best part of 5 months May until Oct... he had extended Cancer originating with Prostate, eventually spreading to his bones in his groin and spine.

He was sent home from hospital in May with prognosis of "weeks rather than months"...... we had fantastic support from the hospice teams right to the end, which was 5 Oct...

However, his pain relief and personal care regime did nothing other than preserve him in his bed, most of the time in a medicated sleep state,.. for 5 months. In his rare lucid times, he repeatedly said that you wouldn't let a dog 'live' like this.....

So yes, from recent, real life experience, ... I wholeheartedly support this bill.
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This, they prolong the life, but what life are they really prolonging? Can't do any of the things they enjoy doing, can barely comprehend loved ones. Sounds like a fate worse than death.
 




JetsetJimbo

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The fact that all these safeguards have been voted down by the Bill committee that Leadbeater chairs is literally terrifying.

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1066familyman

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JetsetJimbo said:
The fact that all these safeguards have been voted down by the Bill committee that Leadbeater chairs is literally terrifying.

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It'll be no different to the 'protective ring' put around care homes during Covid.

Literally thousands of the most vulnerable, and, crucially, economically inactive, people in our society left to die. Very convenient.

We live in very dangerous times indeed.
 




Curious Orange

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JetsetJimbo said:
The fact that all these safeguards have been voted down by the Bill committee that Leadbeater chairs is literally terrifying.

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I can understand why some of those were voted down, but not all of them!

I have no problem with making people comfortable when they choose to cease treatment, but actively assisting in, or being allowed to encourage, their suicide (which are still criminal offences) I find deeply troubling because this isn't just about the patient's needs but also about the mental wellbeing of those other people who are involved in their treatment.
 






JetsetJimbo

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When considered alongside this story from earlier in the week, it's hard to escape the conclusion that the the first few items on that list were voted down because they would prevent private companies from aggressively pushing their assisted-dying services.

www.thetimes.com

Assisted dying plan outsources provision to private companies

Ministers have ‘no in-principle objection’ to outsourcing it, if the law is changed, to minimise the effect on existing NHS services
www.thetimes.com www.thetimes.com
 


Westdene Seagull

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Me Atome said:
The trouble is, without safeguards, we will find someone else will choose for us.
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So instead those that do want to end their life have to travel abroad and without their partner ( because currently that's considered complicity ).
 


happypig

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Westdene Seagull said:
So instead those that do want to end their life have to travel abroad and without their partner ( because currently that's considered complicity ).
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If I were ever in the position of having a partner that wanted to go abroad to die, I would go with them and hang the consequences.
However, if it was me that was terminally ill, I wouldn't want her to.
 




dazzer6666

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Curious Orange said:
I can understand why some of those were voted down, but not all of them!

I have no problem with making people comfortable when they choose to cease treatment, but actively assisting in, or being allowed to encourage, their suicide (which are still criminal offences) I find deeply troubling because this isn't just about the patient's needs but also about the mental wellbeing of those other people who are involved in their treatment.
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I’m supportive of some form of assisted dying, but some of those safeguards (particularly combinations of some of them) voted down are essential imo.
 




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