Peacehaven Wild Kids
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Indeed, I really don’t know where I am on this, my wife has worked in the medical profession all her life, she’d vote in favour of it. If I were an MP would I be taking the cowards route if I abstained?
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[Politics] Assisted dying
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Indeed, I really don’t know where I am on this, my wife has worked in the medical profession all her life, she’d vote in favour of it. If I were an MP would I be taking the cowards route if I abstained?
Thunder Bolt
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No, I think there are a few who will abstain. It’s a very emotive subject hence why some MPs are using the phrase assisted suicide, rather than assisted dying.
McTavish
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- Nov 5, 2014
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...and Danny Kruger, the leading opponent of the bill, has talked about doctors killing their patients.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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As a rule, I can't stand Politians who abstain - feel like it's a cop out - but on this one, I'd excuse them.
Me neither and I don’t mind admitting I flip-flop all the time on the issue. I watched my younger sister die a horrible death over the last month or so of her life when, if it was legal, it would have been far more humane to do something earlier. It was also tearing my parents to pieces and my mum will never get over it. My daughter works full time as a nurse in palliative care (currently for MC) and deals directly with awful situations (for both the individual and any loved ones) on a daily basis so we have had some deep discussions on it too. I’m worried, though, about the checks and balances that might be in place to prevent abuse of the system……so many circumstances where it’s difficult to fully control the process to prevent abuse, and new situations will undoubtedly arise all the time that the proposed law doesn’t adequately cover.
Not going to judge any MP on how they vote (including abstaining), and I’m not sure at this stage any amount of debate will provide the degree of clarity anyone would need to have enough conviction to be sure.
How would you feel if the vote went something like Yes 3, No 2 and abstentions 645!
KZNSeagull
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330 to 275 the Ayes have it, the Ayes have it.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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“Read all about it….Common sense House of Commons SHOCKER!”
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Good point!
Yes! I've stayed out of this thread as I have very strong feelings on this issue which I know others don't share. I was unequivocally in favour and I never heard a single convincing argument against it. Not one. I'm putting this thread on ignore now as I don't want to get into an argument with other people who, whilst they're wrong, probably hold their own views equally strongly.
Really really sorry it was too late for you Tony.
Really really sorry it was too late for you Tony.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Doonhamer7
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- Jun 17, 2016
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Good news, I always felt it should be your decision when you die not the states
KZNSeagull
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Long way to go yet though, all they have really done today is voted to carry on discussing it.
HisBetterBall
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What side are you on?
Machiavelli
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Worth hearing the Commons as and soon after the vote was announced. It's not a sound you usually hear when it's that packed:
www.theguardian.com
Assisted dying: MPs back bill to give some terminally ill people right to end lives in England and Wales – live
Terminally ill adults with less than six months to live will be given right to die under proposed legislation
www.theguardian.com
ROSM
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I had mentioned previously about the high quality and tone of debate on this. The debate today was full of thought out, researched and poignant contributions on both sides and the way the result was heard with respect and dignity goes some way to demonstrating why a parliamentary democracy can and does often work.Worth hearing the Commons as and soon after the vote was announced. It's not a sound you usually hear when it's that packed:
Assisted dying: MPs back bill to give some terminally ill people right to end lives in England and Wales – live
Terminally ill adults with less than six months to live will be given right to die under proposed legislation
Machiavelli
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Agreed. I still think that the entire system is past it, and that it's an unfair burden that we, the people place on their shoulders, and that alternative avenues should be experimented to enhance the democracy that belongs to us.
Despite all that, I can't stand the 'they're all the same/at it' lot. Parliamentarians are not all the same and at it, and this is as good an illustration of the seriousness they take their role 'representing' us (which is obviously a load of old horsesh!t).