[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

WATFORD zero said:

Sorry, No.

As I've said previously, I don't think Trump is capable of working to any plan due to his complete lack of intellectual ability to grasp either concepts or detail and the narcissistic personality disorder he suffers from, together with a particularly nasty vindictive streak, makes our own homegrown narcissist 'Trolley' Johnson look like the most focused, strategic and intellectually brilliant leader ever.

The exact same reason he isn't a Russian Asset. They can't trust him to follow a plan or focus for 5 minutes either, so they are getting by on feeding him lines in their various meetings and watching him spew them out at random. They know he can't be controlled but have accepted he's a moron and are loving what's happening.

I'm afraid that what you are seeing is someone completely out of control with others trying to run around and 'support' him wherever he goes. It's not going to end well, but I can't see it going on for more than another 18 months at most

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BiffyBoy100 said:

There’s a big difference between using ‘Americans’ as a blanket statement and referring specifically to those who voted for Trump. And when you break it down, the margin in 2024 was actually very small. Trump won with just 49.8% of the vote to 48.3%, which isn’t exactly a landslide. It’s similar to Brexit, where only 51.9% voted to leave.

I split my time between the US and the UK (and fortunately live in a democratic state), and I’d be pretty offended if people made the same sweeping statements about us after Brexit. Take the South of England, for example, London voted 59.9% to remain, Brighton was 68.6% Remain, yet people lumped the whole country together as pro-Brexit.

It’s the same with the US—people picture Alabama and Texas, but the country is vast, politically diverse, and as varied as Europe in terms of views, laws, and even lifestyles.

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

Another possibility:

Zilenskyy is impressive and correct.
But he can also be quite annoying.
If you think your predecessor has bunged Someone Far Away a mass of free stuff with no strings, your annoyance threshold may be low.

I don't regard Trump as considered.
The attack was based on antipathy rather than a scripted stratagem.
I suspect he regards Zilenskyy as an ungrateful twerp
He isn't, but I can understand how Trump would think he is.

I am hopeful Starmer can see all of the dynamic here.
Trump has charged Europe with military investment neglect.
Trump cannot now easily baulk if Europe, with Starmer in the lead, strives to save Ukraine with military investment.
And 'boots on the ground'. Backed up by US might.....
Starmer was very far from Putin-friendly today, and was backed by Badenough and Cleverly.

Interesting times.

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BiffyBoy100 said:

As always, I enjoy and agree with your take. And re: Zelensky, you said that much more eloquently than I did. I didn’t mean to suggest he was any less impressive than Starmer or Macron, just that he has a different personality / coming from a war, and it felt like they were trying to push him harder into a corner.

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spence said:

Again more bollox. Why keep peddling this shit about not being a landslide or only 49.8% voted for Trump? This was the second highest vote count in US history. The other being the dodgy covid election.
Trump might have only won by a few million but it was the in manner how he won. You completely ignore every swing state went red. You completely ignore blue states swinging more to the red. You ignore Trump picking up more votes from minorities than any republican US president in 6 decades. You completely ignore Harris not flipping a single county in the US not seen since 1932. You completely ignore Trump increasing his votes in every election.
By the way Texas got more redder this election. Alabama I don't know about but it's Trumpy land end of. That isn't going blue anytime soon trust me.
Trump won the trifecta. Not bad when you think he is suppose to be that hated globally. Well on here he is anyway lol.
Figures can be manipulated but when you break it all down and look at the real stats this was a landslide.
Harris even buggered home early on election night because it really was good night Vienna. Instead of conceding she said they were still counting votes and it was not done. Right ok Cackles.

I repeat she lost in a landslide. The majority of Americans hated how the democrats went to far left. Open borders, DEI,high inflation, fake news, weaponization of lawfare etc.Trump appealed to the working class people of America and social media played a huge part in Trump's win.

MAGA and proud

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spence said:

Again more bollox. Why keep peddling this shit about not being a landslide or only 49.8% voted for Trump? This was the second highest vote count in US history. The other being the dodgy covid election.
Trump might have only won by a few million but it was the in manner how he won. You completely ignore every swing state went red. You completely ignore blue states swinging more to the red. You ignore Trump picking up more votes from minorities than any republican US president in 6 decades. You completely ignore Harris not flipping a single county in the US not seen since 1932. You completely ignore Trump increasing his votes in every election.
By the way Texas got more redder this election. Alabama I don't know about but it's Trumpy land end of. That isn't going blue anytime soon trust me.
Trump won the trifecta. Not bad when you think he is suppose to be that hated globally. Well on here he is anyway lol.
Figures can be manipulated but when you break it all down and look at the real stats this was a landslide.
She even buggered home early on election night because it really was good night Vienna. Instead of conceding she said they were still counting votes and it was not done. Right ok Cackles.

I repeat she lost in a landslide. The majority of Americans hated how the democrats went to far left. Open borders, DEI,high inflation, fake news, weaponization of lawfare etc.Trump appealed to the working class people of America and social media played a huge part in Trump's win.

MAGA and proud

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BiffyBoy100 said:

Haha, only on North Stand Chat can you go from defending blanket statements about Americans to ending up listening to MAGA...

This actually helps me understand even more why Americans get blanket statements thrown at them. The way you're framing this as if your opinion represents all of the U.S is exactly why people generalise.

Out of curiosity, where in the US are you based?

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spence said:

American politics have huge repercussions world-wide. I take a huge interest in it.

Believe or not there are people who like Trump in this world. Many people like his no nonsense speak and he normally delivers on his promises. I get many people hate him also.

I stayed up all night watching the election night unfold on the Charlie Kirk show. A state he helped flip red in Arizona.

I'm going to watch football

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spence said:

American politics have huge repercussions world-wide. I take a huge interest in it.

Believe or not there are people who like Trump in this world. Many people like his no nonsense speak and he normally delivers on his promises. I get many people hate him also.

I stayed up all night watching the election night unfold on the Charlie Kirk show. A state he helped flip red in Arizona.

I'm going to watch football

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BiffyBoy100 said:

Out of curiosity, where in the US are you based?

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BiffyBoy100 said:

I'm glad you've highlighted this because, to be honest, I do find your posts quite anti-American at times.

What you're pointing out reflects conversations happening across much of the U.S. As I mentioned in a previous post, it's unfair to blame all Americans for certain issues. I’m not sure if this is due to how the media presents things or just the nature of discussions on a football forum, but if you spent time in the U.S., you'd likely find a much more balanced and diverse range of perspectives.

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spence said:

The majority of Americans hated how the democrats went to far left. Open borders, DEI,high inflation, fake news, weaponization of lawfare etc.Trump appealed to the working class people of America and social media played a huge part in Trump's win.

MAGA and proud

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A1X said:

Imagine being pro-Trump and also hating fake news when he’s created the biggest disinformation space imaginable

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Greenbag50 said:

He has just confirmed tech investment of 100bn from TSC. No doubt to to take heat from China…. But is a lot of money to bring into country.
Wish we could bring that sort of money….
Not after NIC increases…… not a chance.
Give me investment over high tax. That’s how you grow.
Love him or hate him….. he’s a business man who is bringing money into his country.
We can only dream of those levels

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Greenbag50 said:

He has just confirmed tech investment of 100bn from TSC. No doubt to to take heat from China…. But is a lot of money to bring into country.
Wish we could bring that sort of money….
Not after NIC increases…… not a chance.
Give me investment over high tax. That’s how you grow.
Love him or hate him….. he’s a business man who is bringing money into his country.
We can only dream of those levels

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Eeyore said:

Do you post anything other than statements about Trump's election win ?

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A1X said:

Imagine paying attention to literally anything that has happened over the last few days and thinking “wow…wish we had Trump in charge instead of Starmer”.

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Greenbag50 said:

He has just confirmed tech investment of 100bn from TSC. No doubt to to take heat from China…. But is a lot of money to bring into country.
Wish we could bring that sort of money….
Not after NIC increases…… not a chance.
Give me investment over high tax. That’s how you grow.
Love him or hate him….. he’s a business man who is bringing money into his country.
We can only dream of those levels

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