[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[US Seagull]

3. Europe (inc the UK) understand the importance of economic self sufficiency and rebuild their manufacturing, tech, agricultural and arms industries. We continue with the principal of free trade but we are no longer dependent on it.

I was thinking about this yesterday. The US military-industrial complex is going to be really pissed with the felon-in-chief when his antics mean that they lose out on sales to newly revitalized European arms manufacturers.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Big Trump speech to Congress tonight, then. I would honestly not be surprised if he announced he was pledging military aid to Russia.

Genuinely.

Meanwhile I've seen clips of Republicans disagreeing with him, polls showing his approval ratings through the floor, admissions that prices will rise, trade wars with neighbours, stock markets plummeting and people generally being a bit pissed off and/or confused and worried about the future.

Nice one, Trumpo

 

[US Seagull]

Big Trump speech to Congress tonight, then. I would honestly not be surprised if he announced he was pledging military aid to Russia.

Genuinely.

Meanwhile I've seen clips of Republicans disagreeing with him, polls showing his approval ratings through the floor, admissions that prices will rise, trade wars with neighbours, stock markets plummeting and people generally being a bit pissed off and/or confused and worried about the future.

Nice one, Trumpo

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he told them all that they are fired. Cut by DOGE.

 

[cunning fergus]

Remember pal Brexit cost us 4% of GDP a lot more than Covid

Yeah, I can remember the house prices going down 18%, the 820,000 job losses, the immediate recession, the demise of the City, the emergency budgets, NHS funding being cut 15%………I remember it all Pal. No wait………

 

[cunning fergus]

Under our feet. Cheap energy is a key driver of GDP, and it isn't cheap when you are importing all your coal, gas, oil, batteries, solar panels and wind turbines.

Here is the reality of the new world order everyone keeps banging on about.

We can continue to de industrialise and struggle to rearm, or we can reverse that trend, (which includes reconstituting the ability to produce steel en masse). To do that net zero becomes irrelevant.

Drill baby drill, start mining coal and reduce energy prices for the new industry required to rearm.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Here is the reality of the new world order everyone keeps banging on about.

We can continue to de industrialise and struggle to rearm, or we can reverse that trend, (which includes reconstituting the ability to produce steel en masse). To do that net zero becomes irrelevant.

Drill baby drill, start mining coal and reduce energy prices for the new industry required to rearm.

So we just ruin take the futures away from our children, nice one.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Yeah, I can remember the house prices going down 18%, the 820,000 job losses, the immediate recession, the demise of the City, the emergency budgets, NHS funding being cut 15%………I remember it all Pal. No wait………

You were right behind Farage and Brexit the whole time and it's now finally dawning who else was behind Farage and Brexit.

I'll actually defend you here and say I'd be angry and trying to point the finger anywhere else if I realised I had been completely stitched up and made to look stupid by Putin. And you haven't blamed the immigrants .................... ................. yet

 

[ROSM]

Yeah, I can remember the house prices going down 18%, the 820,000 job losses, the immediate recession, the demise of the City, the emergency budgets, NHS funding being cut 15%………I remember it all Pal. No wait………

I know you know this and are being deliberately defensive as you need to blame someone else for your poor decisions but they were forecasts. Decisions taken by Osborne and Hammond diverted some of those. If you're told it will rain and get you wet but you put up an umbrella it doesn't mean the forecast is wrong.

But house prices have dropped from what they were expecting to go to. We have failed to create the jobs the.economic trajectory was moving to. There were emergency economic decisions taken

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he told them all that they are fired. Cut by DOGE.

"It's OK guys. Elon's got it from here. He's bringing in his kids to replace you – there's enough of them to get the work done and they cost fack all."

 

[Bold Seagull]

@Greenbag50 - genius economist?

 

[Eeyore]

"It's OK guys. Elon's got it from here. He's bringing in his kids to replace you – there's enough of them to get the work done and they cost fack all."

Didn't his kid swear at Trump in the White House and tell he shouldn't be there ? I mean, it's a start.

 

[aolstudios]

You were right behind Farage and Brexit the whole time and it's now finally dawning who else was behind Farage and Brexit.

I'll actually defend you here and say I'd be angry and trying to point the finger anywhere else if I realised I had been completely stitched up and made to look stupid by Putin. And you haven't blamed the immigrants .................... ................. yet

Finally dawning?
Weren't we aware it was a (Arron)Banks/Putin stitch up at the time?
Plenty of us said so

 

[ROSM]

So a few stats from today US gdp forecast has dropped from + 2.7 to -2.3 (a 5 percentage point drop not seen since covid)

Trudea favourability rating highest for 30months

Canada conservative vote lead dropped to lowest for 3 years.. their low point is now lower than Trudeau party high point . Still on course for most seats but majority likelihood slipping

 

[Bodian]

Big Trump speech to Congress tonight, then. I would honestly not be surprised if he announced he was pledging military aid to Russia.

Genuinely.

Meanwhile I've seen clips of Republicans disagreeing with him, polls showing his approval ratings through the floor, admissions that prices will rise, trade wars with neighbours, stock markets plummeting and people generally being a bit pissed off and/or confused and worried about the future.

Nice one, Trumpo

If it wasn't all so serious, it would be quite amusing.

 

[maffew]

 

[zefarelly]

He did get told off

Quite right too . . . . Should have been more articulate and detailed

Perhaps added 'you talentless idiotic sunny delite stained c**t' at the end.

 

[maffew]

In the midst of this ongoing shitshow, I have been trying to create a possible positive outcome when the dust has settled:

1. Europe (supported by the sane nations like Canada) comes together and becomes a stabilising 'world power' between the new imperialists of the US, Russia and China, leading to world peace through strength, sanity and diplomacy. This is Nato Mk 2 - properly financed but with only one objective: peace
2. Ukraine joins Nato Mk 2 and its sovereignty is assured.
3. Europe (inc the UK) understand the importance of economic self sufficiency and rebuild their manufacturing, tech, agricultural and arms industries. We continue with the principal of free trade but we are no longer dependent on it.
4. Trump crashes the US economy through tariffs and by politically isolating the US from the western nations and so the US people turn against him.
5. The next (consequently democrat) administration has to try and make friends with Europe , Canada etc in order to be invited back to the grown ups table. In other words, the US has to learn humility on the world stage and comes back as an equal partner not a dictator

Clutching at invisible straws or a possibility?

All sounds perfect but a bit pie in the sky I think point 4 seems the most likely of these to happen.
And point 1 is just NATO with Ukraine and not the US. So a weaker version and the US aligned with Russia

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Does anyone else think that maybe crashing the economy is actually the plan, not just the result of incompetence?

If prices nose dive, there'll be rich pickings for all Trump's billionaire friends. The rich always get richer and especially during a recession, when prices are low and people desperate to sell.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Apparently, his Congress speech is at 2am so in just under 4 hours time. Christ knows what we'll all be waking up to tomorrow morning.

This morning was bad enough - when I turned on BBC news not only were they announcing Trump had suspended all USA military aid to Ukraine but 5ive were in the studio promoting their reunion tour.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Looks fake.