[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

raymondo · 2025-02-28T21:32:04+0000

queens park pete said:
Translator might have been an idea, as you say to slow the responses down, though those two dim bullies would probably have not let him speak at all.

If he'd worn a suit they would have complained Z should have been in military fatigues as his nation was at war and accused him of cowardice.

It certainly shows opportunistic criticism from both left and right of SKS and Macron not being directly critical of Trump was daft. Even the mild corrections and occasional eye rolls from Z showed just how hair triggered and damaged Trump and Vance are.

In another life they would be the sort of idiots who couldn't drive home without a major road rage incident every other day.

Well said.
And you made a good reminder that when Macron (very gently and politely) corrected him, Trump wobbled his head and hand, as if to say to his audience "no, Macron is trying to fool you".

Eric the meek · 2025-02-28T21:32:26+0000

Remember that the US extended the sanctions against Russia for another 12 months from 6 March?

If you take the view, as I do, that the ambush today was planned and premeditated, then they have just given Ukraine, with backing from Europe, one year to defeat Russia.

All the talk of ending the war in 24 hours/100 days/180 days/maybe never, was always bollocks. All of it.

raymondo · 2025-02-28T21:35:58+0000

I'm hoping that a number of attendees at the upcoming European defense meeting will arrive wearing dark green sweaters to match Zelenskiy's

peterward · 2025-02-28T21:36:45+0000

Eric the meek said:
Remember that the US extended the sanctions against Russia for another 12 months from 6 March?

If you take the view, as I do, that the ambush today was planned and premeditated, then they have just given Ukraine, with backing from Europe, one year to defeat Russia.

All the talk of ending the war in 24 hours/100 days/180 days/maybe never, was always bollocks. All of it.

Our old friend chimes in

raymondo · 2025-02-28T21:38:39+0000

Eric the meek said:
Remember that the US extended the sanctions against Russia for another 12 months from 6 March?

If you take the view, as I do, that the ambush today was planned and premeditated, then they have just given Ukraine, with backing from Europe, one year to defeat Russia.

All the talk of ending the war in 24 hours/100 days/180 days/maybe never, was always bollocks. All of it.

Maybe, but why did it have to be done that way in the White House presser - why not just duscuss and explain what the US will and will not do

WATFORD zero · 2025-02-28T21:42:40+0000

BN41Albion said:
At this point I really want Starmer to come out and tell Trump, Vance, America and all things American to go f*** themselves, and then go f*** themselves some more.

Probably not very helpful, mind

It's exactly what I would want and is why it's best he does it and not us :wink:

Eric the meek · 2025-02-28T21:44:16+0000

raymondo said:
Maybe, but why did it have to be done that way in the White House presser - why not just duscuss and explain what the US will and will not do

Good question. Was it for the domestic MAGA audience? To get as wide an audience as possible?

I notice that this wasn't the first time Trump has tried to humiliate Zelensky. This is clearly a tactic he is familiar with.

Could it backfire?

raymondo · 2025-02-28T21:45:24+0000

Sorry if fixtures and this longer version has already been posted

Sirnormangall · 2025-02-28T21:47:23+0000

BN41Albion said:
Will those level headed republicans - of which there are many - actually have the f***ing balls to stand up though. I'm not holding my breath - they've largely been f***ing cowards so far

Senior Republicans like John Bolton and Mitch McConnell have recently spoken out against Trump. Hopefully there will be more, but it will take many more to make any difference

raymondo · 2025-02-28T21:47:33+0000

Eric the meek said:
Good question. Was it for the domestic MAGA audience? To get as wide an audience as possible?

I notice that this wasn't the first time Trump has tried to humiliate Zelensky. This is clearly a tactic he is familiar with.

Could it backfire?

Not with Trump's supporters, but maybe with Europe's determination (if Trump is a Putin puppet). I really feel I know less and less at the moment

Motogull · 2025-02-28T21:48:37+0000

Christ Almighty.

The Bunglekuunt has excelled himself there. Only he could turn a meeting between 2 heads of state where the other leads a county under terrible conditions into a Jerry Springer episode.

What an odious kunnt with no statesperson qualities whatsoever.

Scappa · 2025-02-28T21:53:30+0000

marlowe said:
Trump isn't strong, he's a weakling. If he was strong he would stand up to Putin but he's too much of a pussy. Any strength that you perceive he has is by proxy, just as it always has been, and which has always served to help him to hide his fundamental weakness.

Before he became President his inherited wealth helped him to act powerful and hide his weakness. And now he's president it's the strength of America which he tries to present as his own strength but its not, its the strength that his country provides on his behalf and which like his inherited wealth helps him to hide his weakness. There's nothing remotely strong about Trump. He's a f***ing wimp.

He was probably the same at school. He wouldn't have been the school bully as that requires a certain toughness which Trump doesn't have. He would have been the kid who hid behind the school bully and used the bully to hide his own weakness and he's carried that tactic on throughout his entire life, first using his wealth to hide his wimpyness and now using his country.

And now Putin is playing the role of the school bully that Trump remembers idolising at school and Trump is just fitting back into that old familiar, nostalgic role that he was in at school sucking up to and hiding behind the school bully. Its f***ing pathetic. He needs to grow a pair.

The idea that Trump is tough is a total myth. He's a pathetic wimp.

A weird pathetic wimp

SouthSaxon · 2025-02-28T21:53:48+0000

A word or two from Starmer right now would be welcome. Most other European leaders have said something.

If he doesn’t make a public statement supporting Ukraine, it’s going to look truly terrible.

queens park pete · 2025-02-28T21:53:59+0000

Eric the meek said:
Good question. Was it for the domestic MAGA audience? To get as wide an audience as possible?

I notice that this wasn't the first time Trump has tried to humiliate Zelensky. This is clearly a tactic he is familiar with.

Could it backfire?

I suspect the forever Trumpers who think everything is like a WWF wrestling panto bout will have "enjoyed" it.
The same sort of people who in the UK who immediately have no time for Starmer because he's "boring."

For everyone else it felt like one of those terrible days back at school where some other poor sod was standing up to two bullies, but rather than jumping in to help we just stood paralysed and hoped they didn't turn round and start on us.

What a brave man, though I suspect after some of the things Z has seen, listening to a couple of blustering, pompous big mouths was frustrating rather than frightening.

raymondo · 2025-02-28T21:56:23+0000

peterward said:
Our old friend chimes in

What we don't know is (at least i don't) was there a private pre discussion, in advance of this presser? Or did Zelenskiy go from plane, to car, to high pressure presser?
Trump loves the theatre, this presser, his cabinet meeting. I feel he hides behind it - like no one's daring to be rude to him, or contradict him, while he's 'on stage '.

Similar to Musk turning up to a White House presser with his young son on his shoulders - a defense mechanism.

Bold Seagull · 2025-02-28T22:04:44+0000

queens park pete said:
I suspect the forever Trumpers who think everything is like a WWF wrestling panto bout will have "enjoyed" it.
The same sort of people who in the UK who immediately have no time for Starmer because he's "boring."

For everyone else it felt like one of those terrible days back at school where some other poor sod was standing up to two bullies, but rather than jumping in to help we just stood paralysed and hoped they didn't turn round and start on us.

What a brave man, though I suspect after some of the things Z has seen, listening to a couple of blustering, pompous big mouths was frustrating rather than frightening.

The only frightening thing for Zelenskyy I’m sure was being sure he was doing the right thing for his people.

Churchill was a Great War leader not necessarily through his decisions, but making people believe in him, his conviction dragged a country close to appeasement into a fight that had to be won. Zelenskyy can’t afford to have every person in Ukraine, every soldier and every drop of blood spilled see him wither in front of two **** faces. He is a war leader and HAS to appear strong, has to. Anyone suggesting he needed to bend the knee doesn’t understand how that would play out to morale at home.

If Zelenskyy was going to sign a deal he needed something more than Trump’s word on security - the world already knows what Trumps word is worth.

peterward · 2025-02-28T22:05:30+0000

Giraffe · 2025-02-28T22:09:45+0000

SouthSaxon said:
A word or two from Starmer right now would be welcome. Most other European leaders have said something.

If he doesn’t make a public statement supporting Ukraine, it’s going to look truly terrible.

No chance of that. It will be a general statement about wanting to end the war. Us relationship is more important to the UK than any other European country. You could see that from the way Starmer sucked up to him yesterday. And rightly so.

Zelensky should have just sucked everything up. Churchill begged the US to help during WWII. Imagine if he’d gone confrontational. Where we be without the US? Doesn’t matter whether he is right he should have just done everything to keep the US on side. Big mistake for Zelensky and Ukraine.

SouthSaxon · 2025-02-28T22:14:34+0000

Giraffe said:
No chance of that. It will be a general statement about wanting to end the war. Us relationship is more important to the UK than any other European country. You could see that from the way Starmer sucked up to him yesterday. And rightly so.

Zelensky should have just sucked everything up. Churchill begged the US to help during WWII. Imagine if he’d gone confrontational. Where we be without the US? Doesn’t matter whether he is right he should have just done everything to keep the US on side. Big mistake for Zelensky and Ukraine.

Others are being absolutely hammered on here for this attitude, and rightly so.

Ask yourself this, if FDR had publicly told Churchill in 1941 that he was gambling millions of lives by not folding to Hitler and then proceeded to demand that he kiss the ring, how do you think he would have reacted?

I am done with you people tonight, you’re all f***ing idiots. Have an ignore.

Sirnormangall · 2025-02-28T22:14:39+0000

Napper said:
Got to say was exactly what was neeeded from trump . Russia have dominated and hold what they set out too. Could get way worse for Ukraine the moment Russia decide . Does that guy want to save lives

Trump is a nob but he is strong . If only other leaders said it how it is

Expect a media backlash from the easily offended tomorrow

Yes it was exactly what was needed from your hero Trump ie more evidence (if any was needed) of what a moronic, untrustworthy bully he is.
What have “Russia dominated and hold what they set out to do”? Their SMO was supposed to have succeeded in 3 days.
Any media backlash will not come from the “easily offended “. It will come from decent people who despise Russian aggression and those who support it , including their new American friends in the Whitehouse

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