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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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Madness.
Cordwainer
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- Jul 30, 2023
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Guess the orange man will sell it as a win win then..boost to US forces and arms manufacturers followed by boost to US contractors etc..rinse and repeat..war..what is it good for? The US economy!
- Aug 24, 2020
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Here's a quick drone interlude. Please carry on.
- Aug 24, 2020
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As long as it's someone else's war.
Yes, I think that the 'deal'...vague as it is
But Orange man says he wants to cut US defence budget in half!
He has no strategy, he's winging it based on Musk's drug driven drivel
Cordwainer
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- Jul 30, 2023
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Kinnell. I really hope it’s better than that and if it isn’t Zel doesn’t sign it..hopefully there’s a break clause in 4 years time and no obligation to buy at the end of the loan.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Cordwainer
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Wondering if EM has (allegedly) introduced the orange man to the wonderful world of Special K. Like watching William Burroughs and Hunter S Thompson at the peak of their powers..
Yeah, maybe Zelenskiy and/or Starmer can weedle some 'defence for Ukraine' into the deal...but I really doubt that, or if they did then the US can't be trusted to deliver.
I truly think Trump has promised Putin that he won't supply any more weaponry for Ukraine's defence....I hope I'm wrong.
Cordwainer
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If this plays out as badly as it could do and the America first policy is continued..will be interesting to see what happens down the road when the political wind changes again and the US need the help of ‘allies’ outside of their own country.
I'm finding it more useful to think of it as a 'Dictators and Oligarchs First' policy - I don't think ordinary Americans are going to get much out of this administration.
- Aug 24, 2020
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More North Koreans are coming to Kursk.
Neither Russia nor Ukraine are up for a ceasefire.
Neither Russia nor Ukraine are up for a ceasefire.
Cordwainer
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Quite and this comes back to the oft made point about how any ordinary voters in the US genuinely believed that Orange man would do anything other than line his pockets, wreak revenge and shore up his pathetic ego during his time in power.
Cordwainer
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Maybe the 4d chess player has played such a blinder the only beneficiary of the ‘deal’ is the US and all other parties now realise this? He’s simply too bright for everyone else.
Yes, that's the only "threat" that NATO poses to Russia, and no other.
If Putin had captured Kiev he would have 2+ million extra (forced) Ukrainian soldiers at his disposal to meet grind Europe. Things could have been far worse then now. Russia is severely weakened.
As nice as it would be the lost land though cannot realistically be retaken without great cost, The Russians have dug in.
If there is a ceasefire this will mean both sides will dig in and re-arm. North and South Korea style. The European Alliance will have to fund this and as everyone should know by now this needs to be done quickly.
Trump approach is on the same lines as Biden, no American soldiers on the ground or involvement in military combat
The worry is him lifting sanctions which is what Putin will demand + Trump trade war against Europe
As nice as it would be the lost land though cannot realistically be retaken without great cost, The Russians have dug in.
If there is a ceasefire this will mean both sides will dig in and re-arm. North and South Korea style. The European Alliance will have to fund this and as everyone should know by now this needs to be done quickly.
Trump approach is on the same lines as Biden, no American soldiers on the ground or involvement in military combat
The worry is him lifting sanctions which is what Putin will demand + Trump trade war against Europe
- Aug 24, 2020
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When Trump made this speech yesterday, he was addressing Zelensky.
He is keen for Zelensky to sign the minerals deal tomorrow (sans security agreement).
I'm now wondering if he tells people what they want to hear. Were the harsh words he had for Ukraine a few days ago (Ukraine started the war etc) aimed at the imminent talks with Russia?
He is keen for Zelensky to sign the minerals deal tomorrow (sans security agreement).
I'm now wondering if he tells people what they want to hear. Were the harsh words he had for Ukraine a few days ago (Ukraine started the war etc) aimed at the imminent talks with Russia?
Scappa
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Will he discover humility and decency, or become an even bigger ****? Let's find out as we go Though The K-Hole
Keep your friends close, keep your potential enemies closer. I agree with the sentiment but we need every framework possible to try and control him. Most importantly NATO.