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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Jan 18, 2009
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If this country is to rearm itself in any meaningful way it will need to reverse this country’s current trajectory of de-industrialisation. That will mean the need for cheap energy and lots of it. That means oil and gas from the North Sea maybe even bringing fracking back, or coal. Personally I think it’s too late we are no longer a major steel maker, but you can’t expect to significantly increase industrial output and move to renewables. Fantasy.
The British people want responsible British leaders that take British national interest seriously and put British people first. Labour and Starmer (like the Tories before) are a party that acts in the very opposite of that position and have done for years. This episode is only proving that, most people want their kids to be safe in dance classes and at concerts, he isn't solving that.
I don’t think you are grasping the reality of what Trump has done, he has not just exposed the stupidity of the European political elite for neglecting their defence over recent years, he has demonstrated the EU is a paper tiger, itself simply an organ of self aggrandisement by European political pygmies to feather their political nests by impoverishing the peoples in European countries they govern.
As ever it is only NATO that would defend Europe. The US is NATO and the EU is an irrelevance that will need to change or die.
Would you feel your kids are safe in dance classes and concerts under Trump's America then? Are you seriously suggesting young kids are safer in America than the UK, or that what happened in Southport is anything to do with Keir Starmer?
- Jan 18, 2009
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To quote Bismarck, you don’t stop an army on the border with eloquence. You need an army and that army needs to possess the will to fight. This is by its leaders, it’s constituents and it’s underlying population.
Russia has demonstrated throughout the last 3 years that it is a functioning army, can absorb casualties and loss of material whilst maintaining a will to fight. Sure it may not be as technically advanced as aspects of western forces but it is an experienced army tested by 3 years of war.
A NATO without the US is essentially us, the French and Germany, and the Germans won’t fight Russia because it is politically unpopular and their prosperity is dependent on cheap Russian energy. Everyone knows this, it’s because of Germany Ukraine wasn’t allowed to join NATO, to quote Zelenskyy.
France spends less than us on defence, and we possess less than 20000 front line troops.
Eastern European countries are not fighting either, for same reasons as Germany.
As previously referenced, polling indicates only 11% of 18-27 year olds would fight for the U.K. and I suspect that means even less for Ukraine. This country has no will to fight, and people, especially on this board are deluded if they think we can put a BEF into Ukraine.
Diversity is strength except when what you really want is homogeneity. That ship has sailed.
- Jan 18, 2009
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Labour and Starmer are baked into a political establishment, (here and in the EU) that has in recent years facilitated the importation of people into this country that we know f*ck all about.
If we aren’t even willing to secure our own borders from foreigners that wish us harm, then it’s fair to say Starmer’s routine on Ukraine isn’t going to get the political cut through in the wider population many on here think.
JD Vance’s speech in Munich spelt out last week how the US Govt sees the problem with keeping Europe safe. Sometimes the truth hurts.
- Aug 24, 2020
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You are conflating two things. Ability to fight and diversity.
You often write a load of stuff, and then introduce diversity,
Give it a rest.
Dance classes, diversity and controlling our borders have f all to do with this forum.
Peddle your poison elsewhere.
That’s all very well, but are you going to answer my question?
Curious Orange
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I’ve seen you make this statement several times. It’s nonsense. This article is 2 years old. Are you saying it was wrong then or that they have gone back to getting their oil and gas from Russia?
Germany says it is no longer reliant on Russian energy - BBC News
New sources of energy mean Germany is no longer dependent on Russia, Germany's finance minister said.
www.bbc.com
You've just found out that @Hamilton is listening in on you and you're wife, and you're not even bothered. Fair play.
- Aug 24, 2020
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It gets worse.
fly high
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The pitfalls worrying officials ahead of Starmer's US trip
When Sir Keir Starmer touches down in Washington next week, he will be treading a fine diplomatic line.
www.bbc.co.uk
BBC's take on it, tight rope walk without a balancing pole.
To be fair it is a thread about a war, that is potentially going to suck this country in. I don't see why controlling our borders is either irrelevant or controversial in the discussion. Does anybody genuinely think that the UK shouldn't control its borders?
- Aug 24, 2020
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I don't want to enter a discussion about borders. That would give Cunning Fergus exactly what he wants.
He wants to change the narrative and derail the thread on to his own agenda.
Meanwhile, events in the Ukraine war and peace would seem to be overtaking us....
- Aug 24, 2020
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But wait. What's this?
(Zelensky looks forlorn, resigned).
(Zelensky looks forlorn, resigned).
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Like you Vance couldn't find his arse without a map.
He like Trump and Farage are just Russian stooges which by default make you one.Putin is on his arse, he can’t take Ukraine so please explain how he can ‘do’ the rest of Europe?
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Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
resigned and not the least interested.
let’s face it if peace is dependent on natural resources then its nothing more than a land grab. He hardly going to look impressed.
Cordwainer
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- Jul 30, 2023
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Cf seems to continually conflate opinion with fact, a noticeable tactic of the likes of Trump and his acolytes. JD Vance and truth in the same sentence being a prime example.
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Without Zelensky I suggest Ukraine would be part of Russia by now?
The guy is being sold down the river by Trump imo. Starmer and Macron need to stand strong on their Washington visit, it could be war defining.
Quite how any Western leader can align with the Russians is beyond my comprehension.
The guy is being sold down the river by Trump imo. Starmer and Macron need to stand strong on their Washington visit, it could be war defining.
Quite how any Western leader can align with the Russians is beyond my comprehension.
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Cordwainer
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- Jul 30, 2023
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In my lifetime the big fear in America was the ‘commies’ reds under the beds etc etc always being pushed by those in power there to justify their foreign policies. So quite how so many people can (knowingly?) vote in a genuine Russian proxy is quite the about turn..surely some are starting to see the light now?