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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)



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raymondo

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Eric the meek said:
I do like the google page he displayed at 08:57 with the heading 'Common rare earth minerals'. I like that a lot. (y)

Anyway, my takeaways from that video are:

1. I can empathise with Jake Broe. I have a geography degree. In terms of getting a job, it was no good to man or beast.
2. Elon Musk is dangerous and needs to be reined in.
3. Amongst all the shit he throws about, sometimes Trump actually listens.
4. Zelensky may have pulled a master stroke in raising the prospect of a deal involving the (common) rare earths. His aim will have been long term security, and to preempt any deal for Russia to keep all (or quite possibly any) of the occupied territories. It would appear that Trump is on board. If true, this will be a devastating strategic defeat for Russia and Putin.
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Yes, I hope we can be optimistic about the outcomes 👍
Isn't the piece about Musk INCREDIBLY disturbing 😲
 




fly high

fly high

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Triggaaar said:
Yes, but if Ukraine don't get all of the Donbas back, I wouldn't want them having to give what little raw materials they do have from elsewhere.
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Point is Putin should be forced to give back the Donbas.
raymondo said:
Yes, I hope we can be optimistic about the outcomes 👍
Isn't the piece about Musk INCREDIBLY disturbing 😲
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Isn't Musk disturbing full stop. Bloke is a lunatic, a very, very rich lunatic.
 




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fly high said:
Point is Putin should be forced to give back the Donbas.

Isn't Musk disturbing full stop. Bloke is a lunatic, a very, very rich lunatic.
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Yes. He’s the perfect (in a bad way) combination of not being as clever as he thinks he is, having genuinely malevolent tendencies and being rich enough that he can make those things happen and people listen to him.

He should really be fighting James Bond in a hollowed-out volcano.
 










fly high

fly high

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Triggaaar said:
👏

Musk is like Blofeld in No Time To Die, except he's been successful in taking over.

At this point I would like to point out that I'm very happy and would never jump out of a window or commit suicide in any way.
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Really glad to hear that. Even after a 7 nil drumming it's never that bad.
 








Triggaaar

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raymondo said:
So he'll present Trump's plan (roughly, which side will promise Trump the most rare earths), at the "security" conference ( not sure why I find that amusing), and THEN he'll go and chat with Ukraine.
Hmm, ok, interesting.
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Who's the he you're referring to?
 












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raymondo

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Here's the official (well, public) UK Govt position as of yesterday. Let's hope that the UK stands by its commitment in the last paragraph...no matter Trump's twisty turny game playing.
www.gov.uk

Ukraine has every right to determine its own future: UK Statement to the OSCE

UK Military Advisor, Joby Rimmer, says Russia’s war of aggression has achieved little except the catastrophic loss of life, the loss of Russia’s military credibility, and the loss of Russia’s international reputation.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 


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fly high

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Rumor of Trump's plan for peace, which I really hope is wrong. Front line to be frozen by Easter, Ukraine to leave Kursk & accept all the occupied territory is now Russian, Ukraine to never join NATO, European troops to create buffer zone.

To me that just looks like massive Putin win which I can not believe Ukraine wold be able to accept.
 


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fly high said:
Rumor of Trump's plan for peace, which I really hope is wrong. Front line to be frozen by Easter, Ukraine to leave Kursk & accept all the occupied territory is now Russian, Ukraine to never join NATO, European troops to create buffer zone.

To me that just looks like massive Putin win which I can not believe Ukraine wold be able to accept.
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That would be a terrible deal for Ukraine. Black sea has gas fields off Crimea, Putin has stolen my wifes home city and many others have had their futures totally ruined and 10,000's murdered.

Its not a deal at all, its a capitulation and I can be 99.9% certain, that Russia will go into overdrive stockpiling and rebuilding its military ready for when Trump is dead or out of Power and go again. Its just another freeze until Russia is ready to resume
 


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