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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Nov 11, 2009
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Yeah, I just searched and the Daily Fail does have an article outlining this alleged rumour......
'Trump peace plan for Ukraine' is 'leaked'
US president Donald Trump will reportedly try to force Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky to agree to a ceasefire with Russia by Easter, according to a report.
but crucially this in the middle which is exactly what you say Eric
"Zelensky's office has strenuously denied the legitimacy of the peace plans.
Andriy Yermak, the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, wrote on Telegram that they did not 'exist in reality', adding that such reports often disguised allegations spread by Russians. "
crookie
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Surely no way Zelensky accepts that
- Aug 24, 2020
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It's almost nailed on that we will all get caught out to some degree, in the coming <insert whatever timeframe you believe>.Yeah, I just searched and the Daily Fail does have an article outlining this alleged rumour......
'Trump peace plan for Ukraine' is 'leaked'
US president Donald Trump will reportedly try to force Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky to agree to a ceasefire with Russia by Easter, according to a report.www.dailymail.co.uk
but crucially this in the middle which is exactly what you say Eric
"Zelensky's office has strenuously denied the legitimacy of the peace plans.
Andriy Yermak, the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, wrote on Telegram that they did not 'exist in reality', adding that such reports often disguised allegations spread by Russians. "
I find it heartening that Zelensky's office strenuously denied the legitimacy of the peace plans. That suggests he has been told of the only official channel he can trust. Taking it a stage further, it - might - mean that Zelensky knows the content of the real peace plan.
fly high
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After Trump's announcement about Gaza you really don't know what madness he will come up with for Ukraine.
- Aug 24, 2020
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That's the received wisdom, but I wasn't talking about Trump at all. I was talking about how Zelensky's office reacted to the 'leaked' peace plan.
Indeed, that is the stress for us as we watch this mad world...we actually wouldn't put it past Trump to propose such a thing. Actually, if he wants maritime property development then Crimea would be far more attractive than Gaza IMO.
Anyway, here's Russia's real strategy, in plain sight as always. I hope to goodness that Kellog etc is made aware of this stuff, and doesn't just dismiss it as "haha yes, that's the same sort of game old Trumpy plays".
Laughable. Ukraine wouldn't accept it, and neither will Europe, who are supposed to put troops there. Otherwise it's great.
I don't trust Trump one bit, but I do trust that Zelenskyy would simply say no, and keep fighting, and Europe would back him up. Trump would indeed simply give the land to Russia if he thought he could.
Hardly a plan for peace - because it will just give Putin everything he wants, and he'll just come back for more.
Anyway - this one really isn't up to Trump to choose.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Euromaidan Press severely criticises the Daily Mail.
We can and should, do a lot better than this.
We can and should, do a lot better than this.
A few lightly armed Dutch troops - that should do it.
I hope you're right about "and Europe would back him up,". I think there's a good chance but the potential deference of Europe towards US positions remains a worry for me.
Shropshire Seagull
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Putin in his best Marlon Brando godfather voice, "Mr Zelenski, I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse ...."
"f*** off Vlady!"
"f*** off Vlady!"
papachris
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A big day for Estonia and the Baltic states tomorrow. They have been working at this for quite a while
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