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[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......
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Sirnormangall
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Didn’t the government also pay out around £70b in Covid furlough payments?What do you mean 'IF you're correct about cuts'?? It's a pretty well acknowledged fact.
14 years of the Tories – police and probation - Magazine
UNISON national officer for police and justice Ben Priestley on how catastrophic cuts and mismanagement have impacted the justice systemmagazine.unison.org.uk
As to where has all the money gone? Where do you start?
Brexit - cost a fortune, not just in subsequent lost growth;
Covid PPE deals with mates;
Rwanda deal;
Plus stuff like an ageing population needing more NHS care and so on;
etc etc.
Prime Minister Farage, heading a coalition? 46% support right wing parties (as opposed to broad versions of the Tory party up until circa 2019)!
nevergoagain
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvge1vndmleo - Up to 10% council tax rise for millions. These of course aren't working people.
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
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Starmer and Labour are absolutely f***ing it as predicted.
The thing is Labour will take this as a reason to go even more right wing to attract people that will never vote Labour. Abandoning people who want to support a credible leftwing party who will have no choice but to vote Green.
The thing is Labour will take this as a reason to go even more right wing to attract people that will never vote Labour. Abandoning people who want to support a credible leftwing party who will have no choice but to vote Green.
Delicious scenes on Facebook when the local Worthing groups blame Labour, forgetting the Tory run WSCC set the council tax increases
That’s ok, they can join forces with the self employed who have already been defined as not working people.
RandyWanger
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Starmer voice coach travelled between lockdown tiers as Covid rule-breach row grows
Leonie Mellinger visited Labour’s London office on Christmas Eve in 2020, before travelling to Brighton, when the capital was under Tier 4 regulations and Brighton was in Tier 3
www.independent.co.uk
But 47% support left-wing parties. And that's without the Welsh & Scottish parties presumably.
Only one council will be 10%, five others 7.5-9%. With a number of councils seeking a higher than 5% rise turned down.
And you do know WHY local councils are needing to increase their council tax don't you? Yes - it's because they have suffered repeated cuts to their grants by central government since 2010. That's the Tory Central Government. So - the need to increase taxes is directly because of the Tory cuts. I presume that you want your bins collected? If so - how do you think this will be paid for without increases in local government funds?
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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I'm sure I was travelling all over the place back then for workStarmer voice coach travelled between lockdown tiers as Covid rule-breach row grows
Leonie Mellinger visited Labour’s London office on Christmas Eve in 2020, before travelling to Brighton, when the capital was under Tier 4 regulations and Brighton was in Tier 3
The right wing allegiance share is up from 38% to 46% in just 7 months. Not my cup of tea, but it's remarkable. Who would possibly have thought say 5 years ago that almost half the electorate favour parties that are now overtly anti EU, pro Trump, climate change deniers or fck net zero?
nevergoagain
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Just reporting the facts sir, just the facts. It's only 2 million people though so assume you think that doesn't matter ?
Of course you read the part that it's this government that approved these rises above the 4.99% that bypass the referendum principle and they are all either Lib Dem or Labour controlled ?. I also presume that you also agree that the labour government increasing NI and minimum wage are a contributing factor.
No - the government increasing NI will have no impact on local government's costs, as central government have basically said that they will cover the increase. That is - because it's just a merry go round (the money from NI goes to government), they will up the grants to local governments to make sure there is no new additional cost burdens on them because of it.
Minimum wage - are you now saying that 'working people' should not be getting a better wage? Doesn't that run contrary to your expressed concerns about working people which has started this mini-discussion?
It is time to stop the debate in terms of right, left etc. In today’s politics the terms have become meaningless. By giving someone a label because they lend their support to a particular party and then assuming they hold certain views, we become blind to the issues behind people’s concerns and hence positive change becomes illusive.
I very much doubt 46% of the electorate are pro trump or are climate change deniers but it is probable most have lost faith with the political status quo and just want change - even if they don’t know what it looks like.
This desire for change crosses the whole political spectrum and will embrace a raft of different views on all the major issues. It is this that Remain (and Trump) are successfully tapping into. They might be what we traditionally called right wing but it doesn’t mean that those who are following them are.
For me things have changed for the worse in Europe and the US. The numbers who are selfish and/or aggressively nationalistic/xenophobic for example, have exploded. I don't do Facebook/X/Instagram on politics, so I'm not talking about that weird world. Mainstream views. Increasing numbers who proudly think of themselves as 'truth seekers' questioning man's effect on the planet, doubting true experts in any field including medicine. It really is a thing. Admiring Trump, Musk, sometimes Putin.
Good point about left and right. Many of the aforementioned are woolly knitted jumper faux off-gridders from places such as Lewes and Brighton. Anti everything, schools/teachers can go **** themselves on the social contract, we'll do as we please on everything.
The lockdowns were a huge game-changer. I don't think people have quite grasped the sea change. Musk, QAnon, Trump have seized the moment, Farage is attempting to here.
nevergoagain
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I haven't expressed concerns, merely posting the actual facts and highlighting that a new government who said they wouldn't raise taxes on working people are doing exactly that, is that incorrect ?.
clapham_gull
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And the complication being
1) Most people in the country are concerned about climate change and want green policies
2) If the referendum was tomorrow, we'd clearly vote to stay in.
3) Most people in the UK dislike Trump.
The reality is (I think) is that whichever party inherited the mess was going to really really struggle.
Why are 46% highly attracted to Badenoch and Farage parties? 15 years ago that ilk of views were only held by the then irrelevant Redwood, Farage, Carswell.
Oh right. So you're not concerned about working people then!
You also need to read the list of what they said they would not increase. It did not include council tax.