nevergoagain
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You do like to try and put words in peoples mouths don't you ?.
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[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......
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clapham_gull
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Exactly
You'd have to ask them. I think modern politics in this country (before this election) had become all about division.
Last election was about booting out the Tories, not much more.
Parties gunning for just enough votes to get over the line and hardening the core vote. Not really worrying about the millions who would never vote for them anyway. In fact doing so would just piss off the core.
Part of the new "tooling" is race, identity and culture. Corbyn just as guilty.
The underlying racism and xenophobia (and over political correctness) were there, but now are very very central in the political narrative of all parties for good and bad.
We're fragmented into many parts and it's completely conceivable there are voters out there who want to rejoin the EU but want guns on the cliffs at Dover.
The world is also now a very more complex place and politicians like Farage know easy answers will be lapped up.
On the second point
I'd wish Labour would just rejoin, none of this half arsed crap we are seeing
RR says we are struggle because of it. We are constantly told the majority want to rejoin and Labour have enough seats to get it through,just do it.
That's making a difficult decision not taking money off OAPs for fuel.
It's the inference of what you say! It seems to me to be petty point-scoring rather than an actual concern. Maybe just the way it comes across....
clapham_gull
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Possibly quite difficult for a number of Labour MPs. Although the numbers clearly show a wish to rejoin, I haven't seen them presented on a constituency basis. It could well be the increase for remain, is simply down to "remain" areas voting more strongly.
That was the utter stupidity of having a national referendum in a country which was clearly divided both economically and culturally already.
It just widened the cracks. Johnson, Cameron and Farage have damaged this country beyond any chance of repair in the foreseeable future.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Population of the UK has gone from 58m to 69m in less than 30 years - and is predicted to rise to 78m in next 25 years. Caused by (both Tory and Labour) immigration policies.
clapham_gull
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If I'm reading this correctly and interesting stat.
yougov.co.uk
60% of those who voted LEAVE agree with:
Britain having a closer relationship with the European Union, without rejoining the European Union, the Single Market, or the Customs Union
That sort of blows anything Farage, Tice and the wibble elements of the Tories say on a daily basis.
Whilst (unsurprisingly) 55% of Reform voters think we are far to close to the EU and should cut out ties immediately.
How do Britons feel about Brexit five years on? | YouGov
55% of Britons now say it was wrong for the UK to leave the EU, with just 11% seeing Brexit as more of a success than a failure
yougov.co.uk
60% of those who voted LEAVE agree with:
Britain having a closer relationship with the European Union, without rejoining the European Union, the Single Market, or the Customs Union
That sort of blows anything Farage, Tice and the wibble elements of the Tories say on a daily basis.
Whilst (unsurprisingly) 55% of Reform voters think we are far to close to the EU and should cut out ties immediately.
nevergoagain
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Not at all. As I said when starting the thread a lot of people were creaming themselves over the equivalent Tory thread and to be fair they did deserve a lot of criticism. My point here has been to highlight that all parties will lie, U-Turn, be corrupt and/or self serving. Nothing I've seen so far has persuaded me otherwise.
Badenoch is polling badly and is only really attracting the blue die hards now. Both the tories and Labour will always retain a hardcore % of the vote. People are attracted to Farage because he is different to all the others and is saying something different. A lot of it may be mad, irrelevant and just hot air but perhaps compared to the established parties it’s refreshing and new to many?
Does anyone else feel Starmer is just promoting himself to run the European Union? He seems crazed by power and has been unbelievably shameless about all he does, I want to take my vote back. I turn on the news each day just to hear more hypocrisy surrounding him.
I thought the guy had standards. Does anyone know his Brighton based voice coach?
I thought the guy had standards. Does anyone know his Brighton based voice coach?
I see the "I want first class services without paying for them" thread is still going strong. Well done everyone!
Wow. What did you make of Boris and truss?
clapham_gull
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Oh my days. Clearly it's PRESIDENT BLAIR who wants to run the EU.
Awful too of course, but Keir promised us no sleaze so often, he has failed to deliver on so many fronts. Do you back him then?
Stumpy Tim
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What sleaze has he presided over?
Rdodge30
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Given some time to reflect, do you still stand by your initial feeling that it was a good budget ?
clapham_gull
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There has been some (there always is), but he has acted relatively sharply hasn't he ?
Didn't come too well regarding the corruption minister but she was effectively cleared by Parliament.
This is completely different than under the last regime. Let's not forget, it wasn't "party-gate" that brought down Johnson, however much the other side bleat.
slimes
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1. It depends how the green policies are met.. in the real world.. we are not going to stop Russia and China and many other countries doing a lot worse.
2. In 2016 .. remain was clearly vote to stay In..1/5 on brexit was 9/2.. because of the polling .
So im say b.s.. I actually think brexit would get more!
Before you ask.. Ive never voted.
3. Trump is like marmite.. at least he's got balls and says it how it is.. where England doesn't and we will continuously get 1 million migrants in each year and because of this our retirement will go up to 70
As others have said, what sleaze has he overseen but not dealt with?
Genuine question.
Indeed. It was the fact he was trying to get all the MPs to vote to support his mate when everyone knew it was sleaze. Imagine a world where the leader does that…or move to America and live it again.