[Albion] Fab OUT

GloryDays · 2025-02-01T16:51:14+0000

A1X said:
I’m not shortsighted enough to think it’s entirely the fault of the manager.

Buying £200m worth of players last summer and the only defensive signing was a sick note full back wasn’t on him.

FH is having a mare but as you point out, there are institutional issues at the club that go beyond the manager. GP, RDZ and FH have all faced them. I haven’t seen the “highlights” from this recent trouncing yet (sadly I stopped following this season after the Leicester 2-2) but don’t forget we had similar away to Villa under RDZ.

My concern about FH, particularly during the window, is that we are moving players on that might be useful to a different manager in the summer. Hopefully we don’t make too many wholesale changes. I liked Moder and was sad to see him go. I liked Gilmour and was sad to see him go. I want to keep Ferguson and others as I believe they have a longer sell-by date than FH.

The score today doesn’t look good but Forest are in form. However if he doesn’t steady the ship soon he needs to go.

GloryDays · 2025-02-01T16:53:07+0000

oldboyroy said:
I want his post match comments. If he apologises to fans and admit we were poor including himself then fair enough. If its trust the process and we had lots of possession but weren't clinical then he's lost the plot

I listened to it on the radio and from what I recall it was ambiguous waffle about togetherness from the school of “the process”.

Weststander · 2025-02-01T16:53:43+0000

GloryDays said:
FH is having a mare but as you point out, there are institutional issues at the club that go beyond the manager. GP, RDZ and FH have all faced them. I haven’t seen the “highlights” from this recent trouncing yet (sadly I stopped following this season after the Leicester 2-2) but don’t forget we had similar away to Villa under RDZ.

My concern about FH, particularly during the window, is that we are moving players on that might be useful to a different manager in the summer. Hopefully we don’t make too many wholesale changes. I liked Moder and was sad to see him go. I liked Gilmour and was sad to see him go. I want to keep Ferguson and others as I believe they have a longer sell-by date than FH.

The score today doesn’t look good but Forest are in form. However if he doesn’t steady the ship soon he needs to go.

Gilmour wanted to join the much larger and more illustrious club Napoli, he was determined that it went through. That move was unconnected to whoever our coach was.

GloryDays · 2025-02-01T16:56:34+0000

HCxUK said:
Yeah dick move - it was an arrogant team selection.

Players gave up

He said something in his post match that the team selection was due to factors that “sometimes the public don’t know”.

Can anyone expand on what they think that means? I didn’t follow the game today, just saw the score.

Bozza · 2025-02-01T17:11:21+0000

GloryDays said:
He said something in his post match that the team selection was due to factors that “sometimes the public don’t know”.

Can anyone expand on what they think that means? I didn’t follow the game today, just saw the score.

Q 'Would you have done anything different with hindsight?'

A 'No..there were reasons for picking the team I did, and some of those reasons are not for the public.'

The Clown of Pevensey Bay · 2025-02-01T17:16:55+0000

I sent a polite but angry Fab Out (or at least, please justify Fab In) email to PBOBE just as the seventh goal went in. To be fair to him he replied 45 minutes later

"I think it’s better to look at the club’s progress in eight seasons in the Premier League rather than one very disappointing result," he said

Jim in the West · 2025-02-01T17:20:39+0000

Bozza said:
Q 'Would you have done anything different with hindsight?'

A 'No..there were reasons for picking the team I did, and some of those reasons are not for the public.'

We can speculate though!! Could be someone didn’t want to play

! Or perhaps a bust-up somewhere

!

Kalimantan Gull · 2025-02-01T17:24:25+0000

The Clown of Pevensey Bay said:
I sent a polite but angry Fab Out (or at least, please justify Fab In) email to PBOBE just as the seventh goal went in. To be fair to him he replied 45 minutes later

"I think it’s better to look at the club’s progress in eight seasons in the Premier League rather than one very disappointing result," he said

Sensible man

Jim in the West · 2025-02-01T17:27:14+0000

M

Forster's Armband said:
I don't think it's arrogance at all. I think he's far from arrogant. He's just completely and utterly out of his depth. He needed a job between St Pauli and Us (hindsight of course) to bridge the gap and he's falling woefully short. I think he's lost the team and he needs to go. The problem is who takes over. No one springs to mind to be honest. We are probably stuck with him.

Maybe this season is the in-between job. He’s learning at the right place…but obviously it’s disappointing when he f*cks it up and it’s us that suffer.

Although tbh I think he’s had a helluva tough time (the injuries have just been ridiculous).

One thing we know with BHAFC is that we play the long game….luckily TB won’t throw everything away after a few crap results.

Kalimantan Gull · 2025-02-01T17:27:36+0000

Lewis Dunk says its the players fault and they let the manager down.

Everything went wrong, it was embarrassing. We let ourselves down. We let the travelling fans down. We let the fans at home down. We have to take it on ourselves. It was us out there that performed like that. We have to look at ourselves in the mirror and bounce back next week.

"I don't think we played with enough intensity or wanted it enough. It's not nice to say as a football player, but we weren't good enough today. As a whole team, we didn't deserve [anything]. It could have been even more [goals].

"We knew that we were coming here for a tough game, they are flying in the league and it is always a tough place to come. That tough? Probably not - and that is on ourselves. We have to work hard now and make sure we don't let ourselves or the fans down like that again.

"It is doing it on the training field, working hard every day and wanting it every day. It starts on the training pitch. Three games ago, we were on top of the world again weren't we, after two wins in a row. Now we are rock bottom again.

"This season has been a rollercoaster. The manager speaks about consistency all the time and that is a prime example of not showing any. We have to work at it. There is a lot of work to do to get to where we want to get to.

"There wasn't much to say [after the game]. We let ourselves down, let the fans down, let him [Fabian Hurzeler] down. There was nothing to say."

GloryDays · 2025-02-01T17:31:00+0000

I’ve now seen the highlights and think there’s a slight over reaction.

It’s not a good day but there are elements of misfortune. Welbeck’s effort saved at 3-0 which changes the game (not the result - but it makes Forest buckle up for HT), the penalty on another day is just a telling off and retaken. We see that every week in the PL get pulled up before it gets taken. Today Hooper decided to make an example of us. It’s a strange decision when you see it again. And the handball, on another day that goal isn’t allowed.

But whatever. On another day it’s not 7-0 is just what I’m saying. I’m not demanding FH leaves off the back of that, but I remain massively sceptic. We need to start seeing the learnings from these lessons. Maintain mid table and that’s ok. End up flirting with 16th etc and it’ll be tough for him.

Uh_huh_him · 2025-02-01T17:34:05+0000

Flounce said:
Big slices of luck for Forest today and none for us is the biggest problem imo

Shit happens

Biggest slice of luck Forest had was Huerzeler's team selection

nsclurker · 2025-02-01T17:36:14+0000

There were “Hurzeler Out” shouts from a few in the away end at the end.

Not me, yet, but the last two performances have certainly got me having a major wobble on the fence and one leg is over…

I’m wondering if the lack of midfield today was a falling out behind the scenes, but I’m tired and f***ed off and venting / making stuff up

Something really wasn’t right today.

More than just a shit performance.

Lush · 2025-02-01T17:37:10+0000

The Clown of Pevensey Bay said:
I sent a polite but angry Fab Out (or at least, please justify Fab In) email to PBOBE just as the seventh goal went in. To be fair to him he replied 45 minutes later

"I think it’s better to look at the club’s progress in eight seasons in the Premier League rather than one very disappointing result," he said

PBOBE didn't answer the question though. No one is questioning the progress of the club over the past eight years. Just over the past six months.

Greg Bobkin · 2025-02-01T17:38:29+0000

The Clown of Pevensey Bay said:
I sent a polite but angry Fab Out (or at least, please justify Fab In) email to PBOBE just as the seventh goal went in. To be fair to him he replied 45 minutes later

"I think it’s better to look at the club’s progress in eight seasons in the Premier League rather than one very disappointing result," he said

I don't know if you're taking the piss or being serious. If the latter (nothing would surprise me, that's a pretty desperately sad (in every sense) thing to do.

I hope it made you feel better, at least :shrug:

Hamilton · 2025-02-01T17:43:23+0000

TottonSeagull said:
We just lost 7-0 you clown. Of course the German prick has to take the blame

I agree. There’s always an element of the players being at fault, but after his selection and 7 goals without reply, the manager has to take the blame.

I wouldn’t have taken Hinsh off. He was having a torrid time because he was alone. Made it look like he had failed.

Stato · 2025-02-01T18:05:44+0000

Would have preferred a bit more mea culpa from Hurzeler. Yes, the players didn't perform, but he was arrogant and naïve thinking that we could go there and press them at home like Bournemouth did away, especially without Baleba. He'd already had the warning having been taken for a mug by Maresca in the Chelsea game, who just knew that he had the players to easily target the high line. Not having a bit of respect for your opponents strengths and awareness of our potential weaknesses is all a bit Postecoglu. If he's going to be successful, he needs to learn when he makes mistakes, not insist that he alone has an infallible plan that, if acted upon correctly will always succeed. Moyes gave him a lesson in pragmatism last week and he has shown no sign that he is learning much.

nsclurker · 2025-02-01T18:07:13+0000

Hamilton said:
I agree. There’s always an element of the players being at fault, but after his selection and 7 goals without reply, the manager has to take the blame.

I wouldn’t have taken Hinsh off. He was having a torrid time because he was alone. Made it look like he had failed.

Coming back from injury, I doubt he had more than 45 minutes in him today.

Especially when playing in a midfield of one…

sussex_guy2k2 · 2025-02-01T18:08:39+0000

Weststander said:
Gilmour wanted to join the much larger and more illustrious club Napoli, he was determined that it went through. That move was unconnected to whoever our coach was.

Of course he did. It was made abundantly clear to him that he was barely going to play under FH.

sussex_guy2k2 · 2025-02-01T18:09:32+0000

Hamilton said:
I agree. There’s always an element of the players being at fault, but after his selection and 7 goals without reply, the manager has to take the blame.

I wouldn’t have taken Hinsh off. He was having a torrid time because he was alone. Made it look like he had failed.

This is the thing - for most of this season we’ve had Baleba covering over the cracks as a one man wrecking ball. There are very few players in the world that can do what he can do.

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