[Brighton] HELP SAVE THE PRINCE ALBERT!!

pb21 · Wednesday at 7:12 PM

Even if the desired end use is residential they will have to apply for that change and, unless planning policy changes, it will be similarly refused.

This being granted planning permission for commercial use in no way increases the chance of it being residential in future while the Prince Albert is still there.

South Stand Bonfire · Wednesday at 7:14 PM

Hugo Rune said:
FFS no wonder we can’t get anything built in this ****ing country!

Why does there always have to be a conspiracy theory?

The designs of the offices don’t lend themselves to residential use. The cost of conversion would be astronomical. It’s not going to happen!

And if it did, they would need to enter into a s106 Agreement that could have restrictions on any residents complaining about the venue‘s music license, as long as the pub adhered to its licensing obligations. That’s what happened to the Duke of Wellington in Shoreham that has a residential development in progress next to it.

Triggaaar · Wednesday at 7:15 PM

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Maybe you need a history lesson

You're ok Graham

Weststander · Wednesday at 7:23 PM

Hugo Rune said:
All the restrictions are on the proposed business premises next door.

Soundproofing along with not being able to operate after 8pm.

Down the line (a cynic here), when the inevitable housing application is added ….. that could be years away but ££££ always rule, I hope BHCC at the time imposes nothing new on the venue. Similarly at periodic license reviews.

Someone chooses to move to a city centre with a live music venue next door, it comes with the territory.

A city without the arts is ……. Croydon.

Triggaaar · Wednesday at 8:04 PM

Weststander said:
Down the line (a cynic here), when the inevitable housing application is added ….. that could be years away but ££££ always rule

For the land-owner, ££££ do indeed rule. But is it better for the land owner to build and start renting out a business premises, or earn nothing on a £1.5m+ property for another couple of years whilst applying for something else which will be rejected? Everything so far suggests that they'll never get permission to build a residential property.

Weststander said:
A city without the arts is ……. Croydon.

(except that Croydon is a town)

Herr Tubthumper · Wednesday at 9:36 PM

pb21 said:
Even if the desired end use is residential they will have to apply for that change and, unless planning policy changes, it will be similarly refused.

This being granted planning permission for commercial use in no way increases the chance of it being residential in future while the Prince Albert is still there.

There was a concern about “Agent of change”, see page 3 of this thread, do you know if this has been explicitly ruled out?

jackalbion · Thursday at 8:28 AM

pb21 said:
It's going to look something like this:

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BH2022/02492 | Demolition of existing car rental premises and erection of a four storey building (plus basement) comprising solely commercial floorspace (Class E). |

planningapps.brighton-hove.gov.uk

Much better than it does at the moment, which is more like the Cobblers when that went.

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Place needs to stay vibrant, plus the people working there will likley frequent the pub.

Being commercial use only, close to zero, if not zero, the pub is at risk.

Will be a real shame to see Fake Taxi go, love their videos!

pb21 · Thursday at 9:11 AM

Herr Tubthumper said:
There was a concern about “Agent of change”, see page 3 of this thread, do you know if this has been explicitly ruled out?

Yes, in the sense that the pub wouldn’t affect use of the proposed commercial development, particularly as it would have to close by 8 pm.

Herr Tubthumper · Thursday at 9:18 AM

pb21 said:
Yes, in the sense that the pub wouldn’t affect use of the proposed commercial development, particularly as it would have to close by 8 pm.

Good to know, thank you.

kevo · Thursday at 9:51 AM

Hugo Rune said:
All the restrictions are on the proposed business premises next door.

Soundproofing along with not being able to operate after 8pm.

Does this mean live music at the pub can't start until after 8pm? That would put an end to it being a venue for festivals such as the Great Escape.

CheeseRolls · Thursday at 10:18 AM

Landlord isn't happy about this at all.

Pub owner fears much-loved venue may close now offices will be built next door

A pub owner has said it is a “crying shame” that plans to build a four-storey office block next to their lively boozer have been approved

www.theargus.co.uk

Hugo Rune · Thursday at 10:29 AM

kevo said:
Does this mean live music at the pub can't start until after 8pm? That would put an end to it being a venue for festivals such as the Great Escape.

I hope not. That would be absolute rubbish. Ideally, the new business would be banned from complaining about the noise but l know that’s not realistic. However, if the business did complain, they’d become one of the most unpopular business in Brighton.

Boys 9d · Thursday at 12:11 PM

If the office block has to include sound proofing, does this not infer that the music could be played before 8pm?

Springal · Sunday at 2:57 PM

What happened to Beak Market ?

Tom Hark Preston Park · Sunday at 3:10 PM

Springal said:
What happened to Beak Market ?

Sadly they had to take a step back which let the greedheads in

Brighton: Music pub 'angry' after plans for offices approved

The Prince Albert in Brighton fears closure after plans for an office block next door was approved.

www.bbc.com

'Danny Tapper, founder of Beak Brewery, said the company had committed a "huge amount of time planning a taproom and street food market" which had widespread support.
He added: "We are still very much committed to the project but unfortunately the building requires significantly more renovation work than initially thought and we cannot go ahead with the build until it has been fully costed. We hope to be in a position to make a final decision in the near future."'

Springal · Sunday at 3:15 PM

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Sadly they had to take a step back which let the greedheads in

Brighton: Music pub 'angry' after plans for offices approved

The Prince Albert in Brighton fears closure after plans for an office block next door was approved.

www.bbc.com

'Danny Tapper, founder of Beak Brewery, said the company had committed a "huge amount of time planning a taproom and street food market" which had widespread support.
He added: "We are still very much committed to the project but unfortunately the building requires significantly more renovation work than initially thought and we cannot go ahead with the build until it has been fully costed. We hope to be in a position to make a final decision in the near future."'

Surprised they didn’t crowdfund or something.

Tom Hark Preston Park · Sunday at 3:17 PM

Springal said:
Surprised they didn’t crowdfund or something.

Yup. Any chance has sadly gone now

Triggaaar · Sunday at 3:18 PM

Boys 9d said:
If the office block has to include sound proofing, does this not infer that the music could be played before 8pm?

It depends what level of sound isolation they have to provide. Is there anything specific in the conditions?

beorhthelm · Sunday at 3:40 PM

Springal said:
Surprised they didn’t crowdfund or something.

they still could, the planning consent is still there, just need to buy the plot.

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