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[Albion] Penalty, or...

What do you give?


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One Love

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Aug 22, 2011
4,518
Brighton
MOTD pundits spilt; so pointing out, it‘s not a clear and obvious decision.
Only because Lineker is saying there isn't a player in the league who would do that deliberately.

Yes there is, it's Joel Veltman who thinks he can do anything and get away with it.

It's only a matter of time for his shithousery to cost us more points.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Only because Lineker is saying there isn't a player in the league who would do that deliberately.

Yes there is, it's Joel Veltman who thinks he can do anything and get away with it.

It's only a matter of time for his shithousery to cost us more points.
So you’re expecting it and looking for it to justify your opinion.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
57,589
Faversham
I think there will be some bias but also feel posters have the ability to be neutrally subjective.
And a majority say penalty.

It was completely nailed on and an act of egregious folly.
 




Dorset Seagull

Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
VAR is not fit for purpose and never will be as decisions in football are too subjective. Like this incident.

I and lots of others don’t think it was a foul - some do. You’ll never get agreement on most decisions in a game which is why it shouldn’t be used.
Perhaps the answer to VAR is have 1 bloke at Stockley Park whose only job is to run the VT on the pitch monitor if the referee decides he wants to see a piece of action again if he is unsure about something critical
 




m20gull

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Jun 10, 2004
3,497
Land of the Chavs
And a majority say penalty.

It was completely nailed on and an act of egregious folly.
I don't think it was nailed on. Another referee might have taken a different view and decided there was enough of a foul in the push. Having complimented the ref on his willingness to let strong challenges go, which I did in the first half, it would be wrong for me to argue that there was a foul on Joel. From my standpoint in the North the handball itself was deliberate and stonewall a penalty, once you don't give the push. Sadly for us it was good refereeing and use of VAR.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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I don't think it was nailed on. Another referee might have taken a different view and decided there was enough of a foul in the push. Having complimented the ref on his willingness to let strong challenges go, which I did in the first half, it would be wrong for me to argue that there was a foul on Joel. From my standpoint in the North the handball itself was deliberate and stonewall a penalty, once you don't give the push. Sadly for us it was good refereeing and use of VAR.
This is true.
Had the referee not seen the VAR he could easily have not awarded the penalty.
Good refereeing and VAR are the scourge of modern football.
:wink:
 




nickbrighton

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Feb 19, 2016
2,256
Penalty all the way, although there was a foul, he should have played to the whistle.
if it was a foul, then surely the penalty should not have been given as it occurred first? Im not saying it wasn't a handball, btw just that he was pushed over first, which in the ground, directly in line with it, it certainly looked that way
 










Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
10,303
On NSC for over two decades...
if it was a foul, then surely the penalty should not have been given as it occurred first? Im not saying it wasn't a handball, btw just that he was pushed over first, which in the ground, directly in line with it, it certainly looked that way
This goes back to the point I made earlier. The ref's mistake was in giving the corner rather than the foul - VAR has no jurisdiction in this. If the foul had been given they wouldn't have gotten involved at all.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

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So you’re expecting it and looking for it to justify your opinion.
It seems clear that referees discuss players and have an idea about certain things they are looking out for.
On this occasion I doubt there was any special consideration given.
 




maltaseagull

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Feb 25, 2009
13,557
Zabbar- Malta
I am sure it was a penalty but strikers fall down at every touch of a hand on the shoulder which is what happened to him but he didn´t manage to fall on the ball or hit it with a legal part of his body.

However, at the other end, is Pickford allowed to punch Van Hecke in the head and win a foul?
 


METALMICKY

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Jan 30, 2004
7,061
I am sure it was a penalty but strikers fall down at every touch of a hand on the shoulder which is what happened to him but he didn´t manage to fall on the ball or hit it with a legal part of his body.

However, at the other end, is Pickford allowed to punch Van Hecke in the head and win a foul?
I missed that punch during game but mate queried it. Anyone got a good clip as can't find in highlights
 


The Fits

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Jun 29, 2020
10,331
MOTD and others, including many here, are missing the point I think.
It’s not if Veltman cheated per se, although we know he has that in him, god bless him.
I think what happened was simply this…
Veltman was playing for the foul. He knew Beto had a chance of beating him on the inside. So he throws himself on the floor and is out of control. Hand hits balls.
Then it becomes a simple decision for the ref once he’s gone to the TV. He’s obviously handled it. So was it a foul? Obviously ref thinks not. So it has to be a penalty. It doesn’t really matter if Veltman moves his hand to the ball or not, if he’s decided to fall over and has taken the ball away from Beto with his hand the decision has been made for VAR and the ref.
 






METALMICKY

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Jan 30, 2004
7,061
Danny Murphy definitely a pen, Gary Lineker "why would Veltnam deliberately handle the ball away?"
My opinion is Veltnam felt the contact, went down expecting a foul and hit the ball to safety with his hand in a moment of madness!
Is the correct answer! Lineker is clueless and just seems to proffer an opposite opinion to appear edgy. Might never have happened if Joel had concentrated on defending rather than trying to con the ref.
 


Professor Plum

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Jul 27, 2024
992
Veltman doing what Veltman does, and this time he didn’t get away with it, indirectly leading to us losing the game. I know a lot of people love good old Velts's shithousery — probably the same people who get so worked up about opposition players doing the same to us — but I hate it. He’s a very decent player, as shown at OT, and doesn’t need to behave like this.
 


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