Exactly. It’s so obvious that there’s a collective laugh from Albion fans when Veltman does it. The slightest touch and down he goes (Murray used to do it but he was a bit smarter). It’s easy for a referee to give a foul when it’s in a neutral area of the pitch. But once it’s in the box the VAR forensics leap into action, determined to make their mark.
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[Albion] Penalty, or...
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slartibartfast
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At the time in the stadium I was incensed! It looked a clear shove, and the little replay that they cheekily (illegally?) showed us at the time on the big screen made it look like minimal contact with the hand. I was convinced that it was a joke decision.
However - in the cold light of day, having reviewed other angles, blah de blah, and not wishing to sound like Mikel Arteta who is INCENSED every single f'ing week, I think it probably was a penalty.
However - that doesnt mean I was wrong about Everton's "tactics" , which basically consisted of lying down every five minutes to eke out time. I still think it was one of the worst games Ive seen in a long time. But the Albion had a part to play in that, ie, the sheer inability to beat any team that sits in and defends. The plot is exactly the same every week at home - opponents sit deep, the Albion huff and puff and puff and huff and dribble around and try to pass through the eye of a needle and when we do finally have a shot, blaze it haplessly high and wide of the target - then at some point (usually ) the opposition have a rare sortie up field and score, and we continue in a more panicky huff and puff and puff and huff and disappear up our own rear ends with the ball. Sometimes we get a penalty to equalise, but more usually not.
If the opposition dont score, it's a 0-0 draw. If they do score, it's a 1-1 or 0-1 . Those seem to be the options. Its like watching a gormless kid get mugged in exactly the same way every other week !
However - in the cold light of day, having reviewed other angles, blah de blah, and not wishing to sound like Mikel Arteta who is INCENSED every single f'ing week, I think it probably was a penalty.
However - that doesnt mean I was wrong about Everton's "tactics" , which basically consisted of lying down every five minutes to eke out time. I still think it was one of the worst games Ive seen in a long time. But the Albion had a part to play in that, ie, the sheer inability to beat any team that sits in and defends. The plot is exactly the same every week at home - opponents sit deep, the Albion huff and puff and puff and huff and dribble around and try to pass through the eye of a needle and when we do finally have a shot, blaze it haplessly high and wide of the target - then at some point (usually ) the opposition have a rare sortie up field and score, and we continue in a more panicky huff and puff and puff and huff and disappear up our own rear ends with the ball. Sometimes we get a penalty to equalise, but more usually not.
If the opposition dont score, it's a 0-0 draw. If they do score, it's a 1-1 or 0-1 . Those seem to be the options. Its like watching a gormless kid get mugged in exactly the same way every other week !
Uh_huh_him
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Yeah, but Huerzeler has had 11 home games now.
He knows that 60% of the division are going to play that way when they come here, and needs to come up with something better.
Having said that the only home games against bottom half teams are West Ham and Leicester.
highflyer
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I don't think it takes that level of conspiracy theory to think that referees may talk to each other, and watch videos of previous games etc. We've all been aware of Veltman's antics for years. Other fans have become far more aware this year (and they all hate him). Hardly surprising if he gets slightly more careful scrutiny as a result.
His past record would suggest that was likely deliberate. And if he'd got away with it we'd be talking about how 'clever' he is.
I think Veltman is a very good player. But I wish he'd reduce the 'clever' stuff.
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METALMICKY
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The ref sussed him earlier in the game when he tried the ' ooh look ref I've been pushed ' and waived play on. A decision that a smarter Joel should have noted.
highflyer
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Yes, he cons refs (going down very easily when he feels the slightest touch and it is tactically useful to do so) We all know it. Some like it, some don't.
I am not underestimating him. I think he's very very good at it, which is why it has taken so long for the rest of the world to realise what we've known for a few seasons.
Milano
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You don't think Bournemouth and Newcastle will rock up and play like that? I do. Weirdly West Ham might actually be less likely to play like that now.
LamieRobertson
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You raise done good points there
To me it was a foul and if the players were reversed (the Everton player hand balled it) I’d expect a penalty for the shove
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Poor Joel was simply trying to gesture to the North Stand that "I give you my heart" and as his arm outstretched, he hit the ball.
So easy to freeze frame it and make it worse. Just because he plays on the right wing.
So easy to freeze frame it and make it worse. Just because he plays on the right wing.
It's more organised than having a chat - the PGMOL have their own analysts. The refs get pre-match briefings and examples on what to look out for from all teams/players. There's a current advert for one ......
American Seagle
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Lol. The fake outrage by arsenal fans is hilarious. They get treated the same as any other big 6 club. Take Arteta: if he had the same behavior at any non big 6 side he would be suspended finned constantly.
Might stop him carping
Whoislloydy
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Penalty, yes there was a nudge in Veltmans back but his arm went the complete other way from the momentum of the contact. It was 100% intentional and he was hoping he would draw a foul
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Actually, the simplest answer to that question is - because he's a FOOTBALLER. Cheating is in their DNA, they will work absolutely any situation to try to engineer it to their advantage and push the boundaries to the limit. Particularly Veltman.
From the WSU I couldn't see the handball, and on that one quick replay we got I still wasn't sure. But having seen it on MOTD, Veltman quite clearly deliberately swipes the ball away as he is falling. It was hand to ball all day long. He had a brainfart in that moment thinking he could get away with it. As I say, its just how he and most footballers are wired.
oldboyroy
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Spot on. I don't see how Fabian is 100% against the pen decision which is quite laughable if he's seen the pics I saw?.
American Seagle
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He should be sent to a disciplinary herring.
American Seagle
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You also have to remember that if not for VAR, or had it been outside the box, he would have got away with it.
That's why he did it.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Pretty stupid to do it in the box though, when he would have known VAR would be getting forensic on his arse. By all means do a snidey swipe on the ball if its somewhere inconsequential. But risking it in the box ?? Idiotic. Zero points ensued, as did a DOG of a game. Cheers Velts.
Like most footballers though, he's wired to cheat.
Daft way to defend Veltman. Players do deliberately handle the ball.
bWize
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Was a penalty all day long. As soon as I saw the replay it was obvious. Like another poster has mentioned it was dark arts gone wrong. I do think we need a few players like Veltman using those kind of "tactics" now and again, but not at every available opportunity. He's been over cooking it a little bit lately.
Pedro is another one... Frequently goes down far too easily looking for fouls that simply aren't there. He's had me worried on a few occasions where it looks like he's been shot with both barrels and looking like he's going to go off injured for a few months. Then just gets up like nothings happened after the ref ignores it.
Pedro is another one... Frequently goes down far too easily looking for fouls that simply aren't there. He's had me worried on a few occasions where it looks like he's been shot with both barrels and looking like he's going to go off injured for a few months. Then just gets up like nothings happened after the ref ignores it.
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