portslade seagull
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Never to be seen again once the FSB get hold of him for daring to question the Russian narrative
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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Never to be seen again once the FSB get hold of him for daring to question the Russian narrative
- Aug 24, 2020
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Fm
He sees an election, however bogus, putting up false opponents etc, as worth doing because he thinks it gives him a mandate, however false it may be. The approval of the people, even though it is made up. He thinks it looks good. He thinks it strengthens his position. An election also has the added benefit of identifying any rivals....
Don't underestimate the grudge that Putin felt, and still feels, when he wasn't allowed to join Nato. He wanted the legitimacy he thought it would give him.
Now he will never get it.
Obviously Putin doesn't want free and fair elections. They would indeed not help his cause. But I wasn't suggesting he wants free elections. I was suggesting he wants legitimacy.
He sees an election, however bogus, putting up false opponents etc, as worth doing because he thinks it gives him a mandate, however false it may be. The approval of the people, even though it is made up. He thinks it looks good. He thinks it strengthens his position. An election also has the added benefit of identifying any rivals....
Don't underestimate the grudge that Putin felt, and still feels, when he wasn't allowed to join Nato. He wanted the legitimacy he thought it would give him.
Now he will never get it.
If only he had joined NATO, then we could all be fighting China instead
... sliding doors and all that.You are right, in that he craves legitimacy with the western world, and craves power within his own.
- Aug 24, 2020
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'Why wasn't I told about this?' 'Who is responsible for keeping me informed of Moscow salaries?' - Vladimir Putin.
But you were questioning why Myanmar rulers would want to follow Russian elections, and you said that the whole point of elections is to be free, fair etc. That's what I disagree with.
While Putin would presumably like the public to love him and vote him in legitimately, he knows that's not happening, so he'd prefer his fake elections than to lose power. The Myanmar rulers are presumably worried that they would lose an election, so they're asking Russia for advice on how to run a fake election. I agree that Myanmar would like to be able to claim that their rule is legitimate (and we know it won't be), but they would rather win a fake election than lose a fair one.
- Aug 24, 2020
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And I'm still questioning why Myanmar rulers would ask Russia on how to run an election. It's a bit of red flag that. It might be worth noting that we have assumed that they want to run a fake election, but we don't actually know that.
I also still believe the whole point of elections is to select a representative, freely and fairly. If they were not freely and fairly elected, then the process is weaker, and the elected candidate is weaker.
A problem with Russia, is that all Russian citizens have been born, lived their lives, and died never knowing freedom, and never having experienced a free election. They don't know what one looks like, or how precious it is. They only have experience of fake elections.
This is why I questioned why Myanmar rulers were asking Russia for advice on running an election.
If they want to run a free election, Russia is not a good example.
If they want to run a fake election, and be seen as legitimate afterwards, Russia is also not a good example.
- Aug 24, 2020
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The Russian aviation industry continues to decline:
"Well, Sir, I was worried you wouldn't like the answer ...so I didn't tell you ".
Cancel all flights, Turkey, just cancel them.
I'm surprised Ruzzia has yet to blame NATO for exporting faulty Boeings to them.
And the guy who did tell him better not go near any windows for quite a while...
SeagullinExile
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Undoubtedly. The SSO has over 4000 Spetsnaz commandos at its disposal, which is quite a number.
- Aug 24, 2020
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You could be defenestrated for telling him and not telling him.
This can't be good for staff development.
They're not idiots. If they wanted free and fair elections they'd ask the UK. They want to be assured of victory.
Being a fan of democracy, I agree. But dictators will have a different view.
The people of Myanmar have had no more democracy than Russia and the rulers don't want a free election, they want to cling to power, but try and legitimise it. Putin, despite his method of rule, has been treated as legitimate ruler by the world (up until the invasion).
Which country would you turn to for that?
"Supreme leader, I've overheard suggestions from some staff that the continued loss of naughty colleagues via windows is negatively affecting morale."
- Aug 24, 2020
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I don't know. But not Russia.
I'm amazed that anyone is seeking advice from Russia on anything.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I like this idea
Use frozen Russian money to buy US weapons for Ukraine. (I just hope the US gets a decent price for its state of the art weapons).
Use frozen Russian money to buy US weapons for Ukraine. (I just hope the US gets a decent price for its state of the art weapons).
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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It’s difficult to judge how credible 1420 is - but you’ll often find that they interview pro Putin people too, so I’m inclined to think it’s a good sourceI am always surprised by these videos. I assume that really is Moscow, he has said what course he's on, he's very recognisable. The authorities can find him easily and he could be put on the front lineor whatever.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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I like this idea
Use frozen Russian money to buy US weapons for Ukraine. (I just hope the US gets a decent price for its state of the art weapons).
Please…….bring it on. I just want to see Putin’s face and the response of the Russian media when it happens