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[Albion] Club cancelling ST due to non-attendance



Tom Hark Preston Park

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Not sure I can see Tony Bloom going down the Dick Tight route can you
TB got lucky with the financial crash of 2008. Dick 'Tight' and Martin Perry and the Albion fans saved the Albion, not Tony Bloom. As always, TB just sniffed out a timely business opportunity. Fair play for TB doing what TB does
 




Springal

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TB got lucky with the financial crash of 2008. Dick 'Tight' and Martin Perry and the Albion fans saved the Albion, not Tony Bloom. As always, TB just sniffed out a timely business opportunity. Fair play for TB doing what TB does
Agreed on the first bit, but we wouldn’t be in the PL without Tony Bloom
 




Springal

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Who's to know what DK/MP could 'of' achieved given the chance. They had a pretty good track record up til 2008 when disposable cash became king. They deserved the chance. Little wonder DK is bitter
:shrug:
But if Bloom was already partially funding transfers and Tight was losing players over a tank of fuel a week I’m not sure there was any funding plan in place to cover what Bloom has spent to take us to where we are 😃
 


Beach Hut

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Jul 5, 2003
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Who's to know what DK/MP could 'of' achieved given the chance. They had a pretty good track record up til 2008 when disposable cash became king. They deserved the chance. Little wonder DK is bitter
:shrug:
They would have achieved nothing, the fact that by accident it was slipped out at a SOL meeting that one person was paying for the stadium (one that would have 4 sides as opposed to two originally planned) I think very much proves who could achieve what
 




Bodian

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May 3, 2012
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To buy tickets in the home end a person has to register to become a fan, don't they? If not we would have all and sundry attending every game.
I became a member at Blackburn some years ago so I could get a ticket in the home end to watch the Albion if I couldn't get a ticket via the Albion.
Not sure how you stop this. The club could make more of the seats ST seats but wants to allow some fan churn by making tickets available ad hoc.
Blackburn?? Have we ever sold out an away end at Blackburn? When Spanish Dave scored a equalising penalty with the last kick of the game there were only 110 of us there...
 


jackalbion

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Blackburn?? Have we ever sold out an away end at Blackburn? When Spanish Dave scored a equalising penalty with the last kick of the game there were only 110 of us there...
Literally cannot think of a single game where it would require a Blackburn home ticket, I'm pretty sure its been POTG every time we've played there.
 


Commander

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TB got lucky with the financial crash of 2008. Dick 'Tight' and Martin Perry and the Albion fans saved the Albion, not Tony Bloom. As always, TB just sniffed out a timely business opportunity. Fair play for TB doing what TB does
That's incredibly disingenuous to TB. To say he just 'sniffed out a timely business opportunity' is absolutely ridiculous. 12 years later and we haven't even paid him back 10% of what he's put in yet. He can't be much of a businessman if what you say is correct.

Dick Knight and the fans stopped the Albion going out of existence, then kept us going for the next decade or so and got us permission for the Amex. But without TB we wouldn't have been able to take that extra step, and we'd probably still be at Withdean.

I'd actually go far enough now to say that TB has done far more for the Albion that DK did. That doesn't mean DK didn't do a brilliant job, he was the right man at the right time and we all owe him a lot. But seeing my kids watch us beat Marseille and Roma- that is down to TB.
 




Tom Hark Preston Park

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But if Bloom was already partially funding transfers and Tight was losing players over a tank of fuel a week I’m not sure there was any funding plan in place to cover what Bloom has spent to take us to where we are 😃
2008 financial crash killed any possibility of DK/MP raising cash to build the stadium via the banks. With planning permission granted, it was a no-brainer for a shrewd investor with a bit of spare cash in his back pocket to swoop

#TeamDK
 


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Who's to know what DK/MP could 'of' achieved given the chance. They had a pretty good track record up til 2008 when disposable cash became king. They deserved the chance. Little wonder DK is bitter
:shrug:
I'm to know. The way they ran the club was totally unsuitable to how you need to run a club to be successful in the Premier League. The idea that DK could have brought anything like the success we have had with Bloom in charge with his data-driven model is laughable. DK bought players based on watching a DVD of somebody (who unsurprisingly turned out to be utterly shit).
 


Springal

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2008 financial crash killed any possibility of DK/MP raising cash to build the stadium via the banks. With planning permission granted, it was a no-brainer for a shrewd investor with a bit of spare cash in his back pocket to swoop

#TeamDK
But if they could have mortgaged it, would they have got investment for £300M+ in player investment to get us to where we are ?
 




jackalbion

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That's incredibly disingenuous to TB. To say he just 'sniffed out a timely business opportunity' is absolutely ridiculous. 12 years later and we haven't even paid him back 10% of what he's put in yet. He can't be much of a businessman if what you say is correct.

Dick Knight and the fans stopped the Albion going out of existence, then kept us going for the next decade or so and got us permission for the Amex. But without TB we wouldn't have been able to take that extra step, and we'd probably still be at Withdean.

I'd actually go far enough now to say that TB has done far more for the Albion that DK did. That doesn't mean DK didn't do a brilliant job, he was the right man at the right time and we all owe him a lot. But seeing my kids watch us beat Marseille and Roma- that is down to TB.
With all respect this is a ridiculous debate, both did equally as much for the club, and there is no debate for that. Ultimately TB did not save the club, but DK did, everything TB has had the opportunity to do is because of DK. They are both equally legends in my book.
 


MJsGhost

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Jun 26, 2009
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This. If I were to buy a season ticket for the trains or a discounted pass for the cinema, would I expect to be badgered by the issuing company if I was deemed not to be using it enough? Of course not. It's complete profit-driven nonsense. You've secured my money upfront, now **** off and leave me alone til renewal time
I'm not sure your other examples work particularly well there.

Other passengers' experience of the train benefits from you not using the train (more seats/space).
Other cinema-goers have more space/choice of seats and also less noise to distract from the film - other patrons are not required to enjoy the experience.

The Amex needs bums on seats for atmosphere, so non-attendance means an inferior experience for everyone*, even if tickets are recycled via the exchange (on average, less noise is generated by day trippers than a season ticket holder I reckon). Shorter queues for food/drink/toilets/trains etc might make the ancillary experience better, but I reckon most would take a banging atmosphere (by Amex standards) over the convenience of shorter queues, though both would be nice.

From a commercial standpoint, the club obviously wants to avoid empty seats. The way this is managed and communicated to the 24k (or whatever it is) season ticket holders is unlikely to be received the same by everyone as there are a LOT of different personalities in that crowd, to say the least :).







*there are definitely exceptions to this rule, as anyone sat near someone annoying will attest :lolol:
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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That's incredibly disingenuous to TB. To say he just 'sniffed out a timely business opportunity' is absolutely ridiculous. 12 years later and we haven't even paid him back 10% of what he's put in yet. He can't be much of a businessman if what you say is correct.

Dick Knight and the fans stopped the Albion going out of existence, then kept us going for the next decade or so and got us permission for the Amex. But without TB we wouldn't have been able to take that extra step, and we'd probably still be at Withdean.

I'd actually go far enough now to say that TB has done far more for the Albion that DK did. That doesn't mean DK didn't do a brilliant job, he was the right man at the right time and we all owe him a lot. But seeing my kids watch us beat Marseille and Roma- that is down to TB.
TB didn't waste a second doing a number on DK. That's why he's a world class shrewdie. That's why DK hates him, for stealing the prize as soon as the opportunity arose after DK/MP/AlbionFans did the hard yards for year upon thankless year

#TeamDK
 




Commander

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2008 financial crash killed any possibility of DK/MP raising cash to build the stadium via the banks. With planning permission granted, it was a no-brainer for a shrewd investor with a bit of spare cash in his back pocket to swoop

#TeamDK
How many investors do you think are prepared to stick in half a billion quid of their personal wealth with absolutely no guarantee of ever seeing any of it ever again? The fact that 15 years later we've only paid him back £30 million of it, suggests either he isn't a very shrewd investor, or that your 'no-brainer' suggestion is rather idiotic.

So which is it?
 


Goldstone1976

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TB didn't waste a second doing a number on DK. That's why he's a world class shrewdie. That's why DK hates him, for stealing the prize as soon as the opportunity arose after DK/MP/AlbionFans did the hard yards for year upon thankless year
Umm. ‘Stealing’ the prize?

Do tell me how he stole it please.
 




Commander

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TB didn't waste a second doing a number on DK. That's why he's a world class shrewdie. That's why DK hates him, for stealing the prize as soon as the opportunity arose after DK/MP/AlbionFans did the hard yards for year upon thankless year
'Stealing the prize'? Grow up FFS.

And the cash that Bloom was pumping into the club to keep it afloat well before he became Chairman? What was that about?

I get why DK is bitter towards TB. Of course he is going to be. But the idea of the Albion in the Premier League with a global fanbase and beating some of the biggest clubs in Europe with DK running the club like a village fete committee is completely ridiculous. He would have been miles and miles out of his league. Apart from anything else, he's getting on for 90 years old!!
 




Herr Tubthumper

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TB didn't waste a second doing a number on DK. That's why he's a world class shrewdie. That's why DK hates him, for stealing the prize as soon as the opportunity arose after DK/MP/AlbionFans did the hard yards for year upon thankless year

#TeamDK
FFS. DK could not deliver....so Bloom stepped in. He did not 'do a number' on him at all. I know little to nothing about DK but does he really hate Bloom for stepping in, saving the day, and getting us to where we currently are? If this is the case, then it's an odd way to support the club.
 




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