[Albion] Enciso -keep, sell or loan?

Han Solo · 2024-12-28T22:26:05+0000

Rdodge30 said:
out of interest - Foden and Grealish must be right up there on those lists?

Foden has 0.14 goals per shot this season (PL only though), which is quite bad. Normally he's around 0.40-0.50 like most of the best players in the world.
Enciso by comparison got 0.05 goals per shot - 4 goals in 77 attempts - if we look at PL only.

Jack G doesn't shoot much but is indeed not very effective - just 0.11 goals per shot in his PL career so far. So he's just a little bit more than twice as efficient as Julio when it comes to finishing.

Kosh · 2024-12-28T22:37:57+0000

Han Solo said:
What a massive bunch of bullshit.

What f***ing "bizarre freeze out"?
Enciso f***ed off to the Olympics at the beginning of the season instead of staying with the team - HIS decision and HIS problem.
Enciso got the chance from start in every single cup game, and didn't take it. Simon Adingra grabbed his with both feet and scored in every single game. Meanwhile Julio Enciso shot seven times against Crawley - often with a player in much better position if he would have given a f*** about his teammates - and didn't find the net. HIS decisions and HIS problems.
Julio Enciso has played more than 1700 minutes for club and country this year under RDZ, Hurz, Daniel Garnero and Gustavo Alfaro and he's repaid the faith with TWO goals. HIS decisions and HIS problems.

And why the f*** do you throw a bunch of personal attacks on me just because I think the striker who has scored twice (..for Paraguay) in 30 hours of football shouldn't be crowbarred into the team?

What a complete psychosis. Never in my life before at any football board have I needed to argue against people who thinks someone who has scored 0 goals from 90+ attempts in 1.5 seasons is anything but completely shit, but there's a first for everything I guess.

Anyway, people with the "Enciso is the GOAT" attitude have no right to ever complain about "inefficent strikers" or say "he should have scored there" since they've dedicated themselves to worshipping the FACTUALLY least efficient striker in European top football.

Hilarity prevails.

True colours.

The nastiest piece of work on the board comes to life.

The truth clearly hurts.

Cry me a river.

Han Solo · 2024-12-28T22:49:06+0000

Kosh said:
Hilarity prevails.

True colours.

The nastiest piece of work on the board comes to life.

The truth clearly hurts.

Cry me a river.

We had a reasonable if somewhat heated debate here about Enciso and you go on some rant that is about.. me? or Connolly? or Enciso (which I guess makes sense and then my apologies for not understanding exactly what you're trying to do or say)? Not exactly clear.

Why?

Professor Plum · 2024-12-28T22:59:03+0000

In true sentimental football fan fashion, I think in our misty-eyed recollections, Enciso is still dining out on those two worldies he scored a couple of years back vs City and Chelsea. Not just great goals but both vital goals. Sadly I’ve seen almost nothing from him since then to justify hanging onto him. Well, apart from desperation ie we have so few fit strikers at the moment. But if a good offer came in in January I would take it.

American Seagle · 2024-12-28T23:00:53+0000

He is not ready for starting every game. He needs to carry on where he left off before his injury: starting some games and coming off the bench on others.
He wasn't a full time starter prior to his injury so I don't see why he would be now, especially given the deeper squad in that area.
A loan wouldn't be the best I don't think for us or him.

American Seagle · 2024-12-28T23:02:16+0000

Professor Plum said:
In true sentimental football fan fashion, I think in our misty-eyed recollections, Enciso is still dining out on those two worldies he scored a couple of years back vs City and Chelsea. Not just great goals but both vital goals. Sadly I’ve seen almost nothing from him since then to justify hanging onto him. Well, apart from desperation ie we have so few fit strikers at the moment. But if a good offer came in in January I would take it.

People's memory is skewed by those and his little purple patch of good form before the injury. He is playing about the same now as his normal form before.

dwayne · 2024-12-28T23:03:34+0000

Professor Plum said:
In true sentimental football fan fashion, I think in our misty-eyed recollections, Enciso is still dining out on those two worldies he scored a couple of years back vs City and Chelsea. Not just great goals but both vital goals. Sadly I’ve seen almost nothing from him since then to justify hanging onto him. Well, apart from desperation ie we have so few fit strikers at the moment. But if a good offer came in in January I would take it.

He was incredible Vs wolves a couple seasons back when we won 6-0 (oh to smash someone like that again one day)

And the away game Vs wolves last season where he got his injury.

We should definitely give him until the end of this season.

dwayne · 2024-12-28T23:04:37+0000

American Seagle said:
He is not ready for starting every game. He needs to carry on where he left off before his injury: starting some games and coming off the bench on others.
He wasn't a full time starter prior to his injury so I don't see why he would be now, especially given the deeper squad in that area.
A loan wouldn't be the best I don't think for us or him.

I think it's the fact we've seen flashes of incredible play for someone so young.... He has it in him. Somehow we need to get him consistent with some decent coaching.

American Seagle · 2024-12-28T23:15:07+0000

dwayne said:
I think it's the fact we've seen flashes of incredible play for someone so young.... He has it in him. Somehow we need to get him consistent with some decent coaching.

Absolutely agree. That makes him so frustrating. A little less selfishness and a little more team play and he would improve wildly.
Also, he tries high skill stuff but seems to lose concentration when doing the "easy" things like making a ten yard pass.
If he can concentrate more and play for the team more he will become an amazing player. If not, he will probably become a player who frustrates for his career.

Kosh · 2024-12-28T23:19:31+0000

Han Solo said:
We had a reasonable if somewhat heated debate here about Enciso and you go on some rant that is about.. me? or Connolly? or Enciso (which I guess makes sense and then my apologies for not understanding exactly what you're trying to do or say)? Not exactly clear.

Why?

No. Just no.

You are the one who came out with the ridiculous comparison to AC, you then cleverly backtracked making the usual wave of sweeping generalisations based on your ‘expert’ analysis.

You clearly have a soft spot for AC as you recognise your own failings in another utter wastrel… he’s your go to guy, usually to defend against his detractors, whist using him as a rod to beat Albion fans with again and again…

Julio is a far better prospect…

Oh, and don’t ever try to send me an aggressive/sweary private chat (ahem) again. Like some drunk teenager calling me outside for a fight. Pathetic.

You’re clearly unhinged, nothing has changed.

Have a good one

Han Solo · 2024-12-28T23:32:05+0000

Kosh said:
No. Just no.

You are the one who came out with the ridiculous comparison to AC, you then cleverly backtracked making the usual wave of sweeping generalisations based on your ‘expert’ analysis.

You clearly have a soft spot for AC as you recognise your own failings in another utter wastrel… he’s your go to guy, usually to defend against his detractors, whist using him as a rod to beat Albion fans with again and again…

Julio is a far better prospect…

Oh, and don’t ever try to send me an aggressive/sweary chat (ahem) again. Like some drunk teenager calling me outside for a fight. Pathetic.

You’re clearly unhinged, nothing has changed.

Have a good one

Ok... this is exactly how it is. I'm a nice man so I'm going to give you one more chance to understand:

I was looking for an "he's even more shit than..." player to compare Enciso's lack of efficency with. I went with Aaron Connolly because everyone on this board including me are well aware that he's not a Premier League level player. I then took Connolly's quite poor finishing in the PL to show how useless Enciso's finishing is.

I really really really really don't give a shit about Aaron Connolly aside for hoping he plays well and has a good life. I ONLY used him as a comparison because at PL level, he is SHIT, and if his finishing is 4.5 times more efficient in the PL, Julio Enciso's efficency is shit.

If you don't want me to send you a PM asking what the f*** you want, then the best way for you start is to not make very random ad hominem attacks against me in a debate that so far had only been about Enciso (yes, with comparisons to Shearer, Lewandowski, Connolly, maybe f***ing Percy Tau - I dunno, it doesn't matter). I don't mind some rough playing but it really came out of absolutely nothing.

Rdodge30 · 2024-12-28T23:36:13+0000

Han Solo said:
maybe f***ing Percy Tau

He’s better than Tau though

chickens · 2024-12-29T00:00:15+0000

Bold Seagull said:
Him and Gruda looked very good especially first half, and both worked themselves to a standstill.

We seem to have a reluctance to shoot though, I didn’t mind the shots over the bar because at least we were having an attack ending in a shot rather than it being turned over from one pass too many.

Enciso can shoot and needs to be encouraged to do so.

Mmm. Not sure he

a) does need encouragement.

and

b) there’s shooting with a reasonable chance of scoring, and there’s shooting from areas with a very low statistical success rate, but having the self-belief of Zlatan on marching powder and doing it anyway. (FWIW I enjoyed the fact he was so aggressive in his approach, but we can’t say it was effective, however much we applaud the effort - goals will come though)

I understand the frustration re: attacking play atm, we’ve had periods of it under Potter, RDZ and now Fab, but the attacking players are being told (correctly) that where the choice is between attempt an unlikely worldie or recycle the ball and try again, the right option is to move the ball back and then try again.

Eventually Fab will realise just how many goals in the PL come down to pace and not allowing defenders the time to organize, and will adjust what he asks the players to do, but all our PL era managers who didn’t have prior PL experience have struggled with this bit, they’ve all come good eventually.

As for Enciso, keep him if he’s genuinely ready to keep working, and learn some lessons. Loan him if he wants a second opinion. Sell him if he’s going to continue his social media nonsense and be disruptive.

TugWilson · 2024-12-29T00:08:34+0000

If he hadn`t of been ring rusty last night he would have scored i think , as above i agree that he needs a run to make a difference . He can be very selfish , not passing when there is a better option , but a word in the ear will sort that . So many chances can come from him shooting , he scores gets a rebound or a deflection , who cares so long as it ends up in the net . Crazy if we didn`t keep him .

Uh_huh_him · 2024-12-29T05:02:23+0000

nsclurker said:
The xG for all his attempts last night was 0.5 - it's about when to shoot or not, and he was trying too hard last night as he was desperate to score another worldy.

A bit like going to a pub when newly single, and getting zero interest when the week before you were in a relationship and attracting them like flies round a cow's arse.

Our total xg was 1.56 from 24 shots.
His xg average is about the same as everyone else.

We have plenty of players holding on until the perfect opportunity presents itself.
Often taking too long and ending up with a lower xg opportunity.

American Seagle · 2024-12-29T05:21:21+0000

Uh_huh_him said:
Our total xg was 1.56 from 24 shots.
His xg average is about the same as everyone else.

We have plenty of players holding on until the perfect opportunity presents itself.
Often taking too long and ending up with a lower xg opportunity.

And on the other end of the scale we have Enciso who shoots as soon as he receives the ball and regardless of where he is.

Uh_huh_him · 2024-12-29T05:26:26+0000

American Seagle said:
And on the other end of the scale we have Enciso who shoots as soon as he receives the ball and regardless of where he is.

Did you watch the game on Friday?

American Seagle · 2024-12-29T05:56:31+0000

Uh_huh_him said:
Did you watch the game on Friday?

Yeah. I wouldn't make a comment based on the game otherwise

Uh_huh_him · 2024-12-29T05:57:52+0000

American Seagle said:
Yeah. I wouldn't make a comment based on the game otherwise

And you think Enciso was wasteful in possession :shrug:

American Seagle · 2024-12-29T06:00:38+0000

Uh_huh_him said:
And you think Enciso was wasteful in possession

Absolutely! Off the top of my head there was the time he rolled the ball to the side to set up a shot and a defender just dribbled off with it. Then the time he misplaced a ten yard pass that ended up out of play for a throw-in.
He has never been great in possession. He will get better as he develops, I really do think that.

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