[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

Eric the meek · Wednesday at 7:56 PM

papachris said:
This was in our Estonian news today. A fairly regular occurrence. The Russians testing Nato responses

NATO jets intercept Russian bombers over Baltic in 'routine' response

The bombers, accompanied by two Russian fighter jets, were identified in a coordinated response involving aircraft from three nations, Sweden's public broadcaster SVT reported.

news.err.ee

Does anything happen during or after these events? I'm assuming it is just Russia pushing the boundaries, testing responses, ruffling a few feathers etc.

raymondo · Wednesday at 8:10 PM

Eric the meek said:
A glimpse into the sheer, unimaginable scale of the Ukrainian drone industry. I've heard elsewhere that Ukraine is now producing more drones than the whole of NATO.
Yes, including the USA.

The implication is clear. Ukraine is preparing for the future. A future war footing, without the USA.

Ukraine delivered 200,000 domestically-produced drones to front-line units so far in December, Umerov says

The Ukrainian military has proven to be a pioneer in drone technology, using innovative ways to undermine Russia's material and numerical advantage.

kyivindependent.com

Astonishing numbers.Lets hope the manufacturing locations are dispersed, disguised, defended or all three.

raymondo · Wednesday at 8:12 PM

papachris said:
This was in our Estonian news today. A fairly regular occurrence. The Russians testing Nato responses

NATO jets intercept Russian bombers over Baltic in 'routine' response

The bombers, accompanied by two Russian fighter jets, were identified in a coordinated response involving aircraft from three nations, Sweden's public broadcaster SVT reported.

news.err.ee

Good to see the Swedes and Finns are fully involved in NATO 's day to day

papachris · Wednesday at 8:42 PM

Eric the meek said:
Does anything happen during or after these events? I'm assuming it is just Russia pushing the boundaries, testing responses, ruffling a few feathers etc.

This is one thing they do regularly. Another thing is they jam the GPS over here. Our government claims it's still safe for our planes but I am sure it can't be a good thing.

Foreign minister: Plenty of evidence Russia is jamming GPS systems

There is plenty of evidence to show Russia is behind the GPS jamming in the Baltic Sea region, Minister of Foreign Affairs Margus Tsahkna (Eesti 200). However, he said if lives are at risk, this is not a side effect of Russia defending itself.

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Eric the meek · Wednesday at 8:45 PM

raymondo said:
Astonishing numbers.Lets hope the manufacturing locations are dispersed, disguised, defended or all three.

I'm sure they are. That is what I have read. They are distributed so much, among many small companies/workshops/households, that there is little defence against them. So the Russians cannot hope to knock out more than a fraction of them. I recall they were aiming to produce some 2 million this year. Phenomenal.

It may be that the whole ATACMS/Storm Shadow argument, was a bit of western maskirovka. They've obviously helped Ukraine, especially in Kursk, but perhaps they weren't actually quite as pivotal as they were made out to be.

Fast forward a few months, after the peace talks have failed. Will the Ukrainian drone production have reduced or grown even more? Will there be more skilled drone operators, or fewer?

Triggaaar · Wednesday at 8:55 PM

Eric the meek said:
More threats from Medvedev:

Russia bomb Ukraine daily, killing anyone in the wrong place. Ukraine kill the general in charge of chemical and biological weapons. Journalists in the West point out that this is fair, so even those journalists are a legitimate target? Righto Russia.

Russia wants to bring the West into the war. Good luck with that Russia.

raymondo · Wednesday at 9:00 PM

Eric the meek said:
I'm sure they are. That is what I have read. They are distributed so much, among many small companies/workshops/households, that there is little defence against them. So the Russians cannot hope to knock out more than a fraction of them. I recall they were aiming to produce some 2 million this year. Phenomenal.

It may be that the whole ATACMS/Storm Shadow argument, was a bit of western maskirovka. They've obviously helped Ukraine, especially in Kursk, but perhaps they weren't actually quite as pivotal as they were made out to be.

Fast forward a few months, after the peace talks have failed. Will the Ukrainian drone production have reduced or grown even more? Will there be more skilled drone operators, or fewer?

You could well be right.
I wonder if Ukraine's long range missile development is also coming along well. Let's hope so.

Eric the meek · Wednesday at 9:08 PM

Triggaaar said:
Russia bomb Ukraine daily, killing anyone in the wrong place. Ukraine kill the general in charge of chemical and biological weapons. Journalists in the West point out that this is fair, so even those journalists are a legitimate target? Righto Russia.

Russia wants to bring the West into the war. Good luck with that Russia.

They are becoming desperate. Faced with the horror of horrors, independent journalism, all they can do is do what they have done until now. Make threats. Their thinking is on tramlines.

This is why Ukraine will win. They are streets ahead of Russia.

Eric the meek · Wednesday at 9:56 PM

Russians seem to be complaining more these days.

They've got no stamina.

Sirnormangall · Wednesday at 11:12 PM

Triggaaar said:
I'd be very surprised if they've managed to find the culprit that quickly, with probably no evidence.

Not only did they find the culprit but he gave a full confession. Suspiciously fast. You’d be forgiven for thinking that this was quickly put together for a domestic audience.

Eric the meek · Wednesday at 11:23 PM

Sirnormangall said:
Not only did they find the culprit but he gave a full confession. Suspiciously fast. You’d be forgiven for thinking that this was quickly put together for a domestic audience.

There are suggestions from both Britain and Russia, that it was us who killed Kirillov.

raymondo · Thursday at 8:01 AM

Eric the meek said:
There are suggestions from both Britain and Russia, that it was us who killed Kirillov.

Nah... Rachel wouldn't have sanctioned the spend for the air fare

Eric the meek · Thursday at 8:40 AM

raymondo said:
Nah... Rachel wouldn't have sanctioned the spend for the air fare

Haha, Rachel from Accounts.

It was mentioned on a Times Radio interview -I'll dig it out. Then old Solovyev repeated it on his show.

Would the Kremlin prefer it to have been us rather than Ukrainian hit squads running around Moscow? It looks like it. Doesn't mean it was us though.

But then, the hit came a day after Ukraine had convicted Kirillov in absentia. But it had been planned for weeks in advance. Ukraine quickly claimed responsibility for it. Hmmm.

Triggaaar · Thursday at 8:43 AM

Eric the meek said:
Haha, Rachel from Accounts.

It was mentioned on a Times Radio interview -I'll dig it out. Then old Solovyev repeated it on his show.

Would the Kremlin prefer it to have been us rather than Ukrainian hit squads running around Moscow? It looks like it. Doesn't mean it was us though.

I'd love to be the one receiving the accusation from the Kremlin, and point out that they've already caught the patsy that did it. Maybe ask if there's been another attack or something? Maybe he's been assassinated again?

raymondo · Thursday at 8:44 AM

Eric the meek said:
Haha, Rachel from Accounts.

It was mentioned on a Times Radio interview -I'll dig it out. Then old Solovyev repeated it on his show.

Would the Kremlin prefer it to have been us rather than Ukrainian hit squads running around Moscow? It looks like it. Doesn't mean it was us though.

But then, the hit came a day after Ukraine had convicted Kirillov in absentia. But it had been planned for weeks in advance. Ukraine quickly claimed responsibility for it. Hmmm.

I think it was Ukraine.
Lots of ways for the UK to help Ukraine without risking hits in Moscow.
Your middle para is on the money IMO...it suits the Kremlin narative to tell their people that every NATO country is attacking them, whereas they have Ukraine totally under their control.

Eric the meek · Thursday at 8:50 AM

raymondo said:
I think it was Ukraine.
Lots of ways for the UK to help Ukraine without risking hits in Moscow.
Your middle para is on the money IMO...it suits the Kremlin narative to tell their people that every NATO country is attacking them, whereas they have Ukraine totally under their control.

Yes, you've just persuaded me. That's it.

Eric the meek · Thursday at 8:54 AM

Triggaaar said:
I'd love to be the one receiving the accusation from the Kremlin, and point out that they've already caught the patsy that did it. Maybe ask if there's been another attack or something? Maybe he's been assassinated again?

All part of the plan comrade. A smokescreen of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing, but in reality, we are in total control.

Flounce · Thursday at 8:59 AM

Eric the meek said:
Russians seem to be complaining more these days.

They've got no stamina.

Some still buying “The Special Military Operation” bullshit then

raymondo · Thursday at 9:08 AM

Eric the meek said:
Yes, you've just persuaded me. That's it.

I'll have been wrong then

Eric the meek · Thursday at 9:24 AM

raymondo said:
I'll have been wrong then

It's always wise to keep the door ajar for the unlikely event that you're wrong Raymondo.

Otherwise you could rise to become supreme commander-in-chief of a nuclear superpower, and slowly destroy your whole country.

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