I think it's just a language misunderstanding from him. Ukraine has a research and I believe diplomatic/ legal initiative (I'm not sure of the details) and so Ukraine does all the work to make these returns happen. I think that's what he means.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
- Start date
Very difficult situation in Kursk, with a considerable number of unhappy Ukrainian troops. I didn't realise that Russia has regained so much of the Kursk land from Ukraine's incursion. Neither did I realise that 1000 troops had been lost in that much earlier bridgehead attempt north of Kherson - they really don't have the numbers to make those misjudgements. Difficult and sad.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4x9gz4ylwo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4x9gz4ylwo
Yeah I think that's a massive jump you're making.
The only fact we have is that the Kremlin have decided to remove metadata from videos. That's it.
It may be that sometimes Putin will be having a break or possibly having surgery. Or they may simply wish to be able to put out messages when he's not feeling well. Removing the metadata costs them nothing, but gives them room to manoeuvre when necessary.
But about to disappear, or already has? I think that's unlikely.
Sirnormangall
Well-known member
- Sep 21, 2017
- 3,240
Thanks, yes none of us knows the answer. The extent of any civil unrest will as you say depend on the scenarios that unfold and the extent to which individuals are impacted by a deteriorating economy, casualties etc and whether Putin can keep the large population centres content. Not sure I’d be brave enough to protest and put my life on the line ( and my family) in a regime like Russia’s, which is what Putin is banking on, so I think change will have to be initiated from within the Kremlin. You make an interesting point about recent inconsistency of message - an indication that cracks are beginning to appear.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,451
I understand your concerns. Yours is an evidence based approach, which in almost any other circumstances, I would be following just the way you are.
But I confess, in the Russia Ukraine war, there is an emotional element, or wishful thinking, in my posts. You will have to make allowances for me.
But it is good that you challenge conclusions.
That said, take a step back. Consider the pressure that Putin will be under. Unless he has balls of steel, he will have made plans for his exit, however unlikely to succeed they may be. At the very least, he will have taken steps to cut down his workload, and see his partner and sons. Or others may have planned his exit for him.
The Kremlin is pretty much a black box.
Given the background of the most extraordinary levels of deception the world has ever seen, and given the interesting actions in wiping the metadata, which you say is to give them room to manoeuvre later, the first question to ask, is why do it now? Why has it taken them 2 years 9 months of war to get round to it? Just when the economy is tanking, the nemesis of Trump's peace talks loom on the horizon, and the Kremlin elite are watching him like hawks?
I don't believe this is a coincidence. I don't.
At the start of the war they didn't even think it was a war, they thought it would be over quickly. So it certainly wasn't going to start then, it didn't need to. Then when it didn't all end quickly they had a lot on their plate, both on the battle field and also shutting down any free press. Also, AI has improved a lot recently, so now's the time.
There's no reason to believe Putin has disappeared or is about to. Certainly not before Trump's gambit.
I think that food inflation (perhaps the key trigger point?) is a drip drip on the population, like the story of slowly warming up a frog in a pan of water: the population notice it week by week, but they find ways round it, buy cheaper food, adjust diet etc.
For me, a MAJOR trigger point would be if the government dared to freeze citizens bank accounts, or 'borrow' 10,% of balances. THEN the population would understand without any doubt. Queues and fighting at the banks, and I believe there would be many protests.
It would be a major risk for their government but it's not impossible IMO, as I believe their war bond offering was greatly under subscribed (see, the people are not completely stupid,
...).
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,451
'AI has improved a lot recently, so now's the time.'
Well, yes. I agree with that. Now's the time. But what is it now the time for? The implication is we will be seeing more AI. More AI-generated videos of Putin.
Won't these replace the real videos of Putin? So that Putin won't have to actually be there?
Konstantin described his find (about the metadata of Putin's videos and pictures being wiped) as a nugget. He entitled his video 'Putin set to disappear'.
But he didn't put a timeframe on it. Perhaps we are looking at a phased withdrawal, like you do with your pension? Like retirees do the world over?
Phased withdrawal retiree here (Wiltshire branch). If only I could be AI generated for the school and college runs, plus the Sainsbury's shopping'AI has improved a lot recently, so now's the time.'
Well, yes. I agree with that. Now's the time. But what is it now the time for? The implication is we will be seeing more AI. More AI-generated videos of Putin.
Won't these replace the real videos of Putin? So that Putin won't have to actually be there?
Konstantin described his find (about the metadata of Putin's videos and pictures being wiped) as a nugget. He entitled his video 'Putin set to disappear'.
But he didn't put a timeframe on it. Perhaps we are looking at a phased withdrawal, like you do with your pension? Like retirees do the world over?
.Seriously though, I suspect Russia is, for now, experimenting with AI to keep open many communication options for them, plus it's all maskirova (spelling
) too.So, we won't know if its a real or AI generated news reader, debate, or Putin speech.
I think that's what it is for now.
BUT, at any time it could well morph into something more substantial...but if it did, it may be weeks before that's proven.
Time for my recharge
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- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,451
It's also a darn good way to keep the audience chattering about something other than the Russian economy. Big maskirovka.Phased withdrawal retiree here (Wiltshire branch). If only I could be AI generated for the school and college runs, plus the Sainsbury's shopping
Seriously though, I suspect Russia is, for now, experimenting with AI to keep open many communication options for them, plus it's all maskirova (spelling
So, we won't know if its a real or AI generated news reader, debate, or Putin speech.
I think that's what it is for now.
BUT, at any time it could well morph into something more substantial...but if it did, it may be weeks before that's proven.
Time for my recharge
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#trumpholdspeacetalkswithaputinbot
Nice hashtagsIt's also a darn good way to keep the audience chattering about something other than the Russian economy. Big maskirovka.
#deadbychristmas
#trumpholdspeacetalkswithaputinbot
BenGarfield
Active member
So the fact that the Russian economy is booming/overheating as I ponted out in an earlier post, hence the inflation, is Russian propaganda? Perhaps you should look at some western "propaganda" from the Washington post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...omy-overheating-inflation-interest-rates-war/
I just think it gives them scope to do what they like. He was shaky a while back, but he seemed to recover. But if he's ever ill they can still release videos. And they can do it with other guests, who will all now tow the line.'AI has improved a lot recently, so now's the time.'
Well, yes. I agree with that. Now's the time. But what is it now the time for? The implication is we will be seeing more AI. More AI-generated videos of Putin.
Won't these replace the real videos of Putin? So that Putin won't have to actually be there?
Konstantin described his find (about the metadata of Putin's videos and pictures being wiped) as a nugget. He entitled his video 'Putin set to disappear'.
But he didn't put a timeframe on it. Perhaps we are looking at a phased withdrawal, like you do with your pension? Like retirees do the world over?
It isn't booming, it's crashing.
schmunk
Why oh why oh why?
The problem for Russia is that whilst it may technically be 'overheating' with strong economic activity, thisis not coming externally from the open market, but instead from the Russian government spending on the war. In doing this it is squandering the country's long-term reserves to temporarily prop up the economy.
Equally, there may well be high employment / low unemployment but again this is due to the war - the unemployed are making their way to the frontline...
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
Their prison population must be very low too…..
and their crime rate will increase further as the injured return to civilian life