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Clive Walker

Clive Walker

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this is all creating so much drama. Why does footbal feel the need to offer itself up for all sorts of campaigns, Poppy's, rainbow laces, whatever next. Its football, either have the campaigns and allow for personal choice without question or don't involve it in the game.

Aren't footballers fined for showing political messages undershirts etc? So why force anyone to wear something they don;t agree with.
 






Cordwainer

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Since1982 said:
Plenty of Christians would argue that the Bible is inclusive and anyone who uses it to argue against same sex relationships simply doesn't understand what they are talking about. But I understand your point.
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Agreed and of course vice versa..the joys of interpretation!
 


Bold Seagull

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Clive Walker said:
this is all creating so much drama. Why does footbal feel the need to offer itself up for all sorts of campaigns, Poppy's, rainbow laces, whatever next. Its football, either have the campaigns and allow for personal choice without question or don't involve it in the game.

Aren't footballers fined for showing political messages undershirts etc? So why force anyone to wear something they don;t agree with.
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Yeah, same kind of logic that meant black players endured monkey chants for decades. It's not good for the game that promotes it's worldwide appeal as the 'People's Game' not to be inclusive to all people. You're in a bit of a bind if you're taking a position of not agreeing with all people being able to be involved in the game - i.e. discriminating. Football is not promoting a political message, it is basically promoting UK law.
 


mejonaNO12 aka riskit

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Clive Walker said:
this is all creating so much drama. Why does footbal feel the need to offer itself up for all sorts of campaigns, Poppy's, rainbow laces, whatever next. Its football, either have the campaigns and allow for personal choice without question or don't involve it in the game.

Aren't footballers fined for showing political messages undershirts etc? So why force anyone to wear something they don;t agree with.
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I get your point you are trying to make but it kinda falls flat on this campaign. Doesn't help you resorted to "whatever next" which is akin to "theeeese days".

This campaign is about inclusion. Football is one of the last places where people still feel terrified of truly being who they are. Just look at the stats.

My first thought would be, if you were a player at Ipswich who was gay and was thinking "I think I should tell my teammates" then seeing your captain not wear a symbol of your acceptance is arguably massive. Same to fans etc. personally I'd have made someone else captain for the game and asked them to wear the armband.

Were you against anti-racism campaigns as well?
 
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Bold Seagull said:
Yeah, same kind of logic that meant black players endured monkey chants for decades. It's not good for the game that promotes it's worldwide appeal as the 'People's Game' not to be inclusive to all people. You're in a bit of a bind if you're taking a position of not agreeing with all people being able to be involved in the game - i.e. discriminating. Football is not promoting a political message, it is basically promoting UK law.
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having followed football since the 70’s, there are plenty of reasons for football to show its penitence towards minority groups. Albion fans, of all fans, should also atleast get it.
 




Clive Walker

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mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:
I get your point you are trying to make but it kinda falls flat on this campaign. Doesn't help you resorted to "whatever next" which is akin to "theeeese days".

This campaign is about inclusion. Football is one of the last places where people still feel terrified of truly being who they are. Just look at the stats.

My first thought would be, if you were a player at Ipswich who was gay and was thinking "I think I should tell my teammates" then seeing your captain not wear a symbol of your acceptance is arguably massive. Same to fans etc. personally I'd have made someone else captain for the game and asked them to wear the armband.

Were you against anti-racism campaigns as well?
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no i wasn't against it and i supported it at the outset. However, like the premier league and the players themselves it was also tired of the symbolism which didn;t deliver anything.

While we have issues with inclusion in football like many other areas of life. I don;t think the forced approach is working. I think something more subtle driven by individual clubs and supported by the PL would be better. Getting players involved is only causing controversy which moves the subject on from what its supposed to do.

I do think it needs to be considered whether they continue as they are, change or have a complete embargo on anything opinionated outside of the actual game itself.
 




Commander

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Kalimantan Gull said:
Most church of england christian types are constantly reinterpreting the bible to fit the latest scientific theory. I say if you are going to be christian then have the gumption to stop moving the goalposts and stick with the literal text, God made the earth and all the creatures, only then did he bother making the sun, world is 6,000 years old, the dead can be resurrected, fish can be multiplied, water can be walked upon, virgins can give birth, da da dum
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I totally agree. Either it is the word of God, or it isn't. I don't understand the idea that it was the word of God, but he keeps changing his mind on stuff to suit modern thinking. Is it or isn't it?
 


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Good on him. Shame he feels he has to use his religious beliefs as an excuse.
 






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mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:
That makes absolutely no sense, unless you mean you would have not worn the armband yourself for non-religious reasons.....

By which you mean.....
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OK, I'll try again. I would have preferred him to refuse to wear them because football is about kicking a ball about and scoring goals and no place for pro-gay campaigns or anti-racist campaigns. Next thing footballers will be told they have to bring a pet onto the pitch in support of animal charities. Football matches are about football. That's quite sufficient thank you.
 


Bold Seagull

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goldstone said:
OK, I'll try again. I would have preferred him to refuse to wear them because football is about kicking a ball about and scoring goals and no place for pro-gay campaigns or anti-racist campaigns. Next thing footballers will be told they have to bring a pet onto the pitch in support of animal charities. Football matches are about football. That's quite sufficient thank you.
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If football is just about kicking a ball about, why did so many fans throw fruit onto football pitches for several decades do you think? Why do fans still sing homophobic stuff if it's only the kicking of a ball that matters?
 


Hugo Rune

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BadFish said:
To read the bible and conclude that Jesus would have been homophobic is utterly ridiculous.

But then plenty of conclusions drawn from the bible are utterly ridiculous.
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Jesus as homophobic? Ridiculous as you say.

From everything I’ve leant about ‘historical’ Jesus (I believe he was a man not a god), I’d be shocked if he wasn’t gay along with all his adoring disciples. They were just kicking about 2,000 years ago being nice to people and looking for spaces to act normal without judgement from religious fanatics.
 




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Bold Seagull said:
If football is just about kicking a ball about, why did so many fans throw fruit onto football pitches for several decades do you think? Why do fans still sing homophobic stuff if it's only the kicking of a ball that matters?
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Maybe because these are still issues inside football grounds and clubs? From the video we saw on friday I'm sure Lewis Dunk will be very happy to wear a rainbow armband. I don't see colour very well, but I do like rainbow laces.
 


BBassic

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Bold Seagull said:
If football is just about kicking a ball about, why did so many fans throw fruit onto football pitches for several decades do you think? Why do fans still sing homophobic stuff if it's only the kicking of a ball that matters?
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Think of all the time we'll save doing away with superflous stuff in this new "Football Is Nothing More Than Foot Meeting Ball" era:

Remembrance stuff
Minutes silence stuff
Minutes applause stuff

EDIT: SINGING! People always complain about the atmosphere. Well we won't need it at all in the new era. Singing, after all, does not involve a foot meeting a ball.
 


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Clive Walker said:
this is all creating so much drama. Why does footbal feel the need to offer itself up for all sorts of campaigns, Poppy's, rainbow laces, whatever next. Its football, either have the campaigns and allow for personal choice without question or don't involve it in the game.

Aren't footballers fined for showing political messages undershirts etc? So why force anyone to wear something they don;t agree with.
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Is it? I thought it was just a conversation on a football forum :shrug:
The story dropped to way down the 'Premier League' page on the BBC Sport website, so hardly the biggest news of the past 24 hours, is it?

As for why football gets involved? Why not? Possibly because, given it's MASSIVE audience, the PL could actually end up doing some good by highlighting equality, inclusion and remembrance. I've not got any details of what difference these types of campaigns make, but I'm sure it has a positive effect on quite a few people – and also encourages wider conversations.

If you don't want to see it – or if you feel uncomfortable about it – I would argue that attitude is part of the wider problem. And no-one is forcing players to do anything. But, if they can't bring themselves to back a campaign that could potentially help fans of their own club – and cite 'religious beliefs' (come on, pull the other one, FFS?!) as the reason for your protest – that's pretty poor.

As I said earlier on, I couldn't care less what this guy does or doesn't do, but you've got to be some kind of arsehole to not want a fairer world with 'increased diversity', which is part of the whole rainbow laces campaign.
 


Curious Orange

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Herr Tubthumper said:
Morsy said: “The beauty of football is that it brings people together with all races, religions. If we can help them come to football, come together and have at least one day together, then it can make a big difference.”

Beings people together….unless they’re poofs I guess.
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The Rainbow Laces campaign isn't just about homosexuals though, is he against the other folk too?
 




hans kraay fan club

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I think we are on the same page. I feel sorry for folk whose lives are bound up in ancient doctrine. Mainly because it's a permanent form of indoctrination- there is little learning through experience. That said, I suppose we are all products of our environment in some way. I'm just glad I don't see the world like him, and perhaps he me.
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Is this you telling Sam Morsy, that he 'shouldn't knock it till he's tried it?'
 


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Bold Seagull said:
Yeah, same kind of logic that meant black players endured monkey chants for decades. It's not good for the game that promotes it's worldwide appeal as the 'People's Game' not to be inclusive to all people. You're in a bit of a bind if you're taking a position of not agreeing with all people being able to be involved in the game - i.e. discriminating. Football is not promoting a political message, it is basically promoting UK law.
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Imho football/sport has played a vital role in breaking down racism. Nothing specific, but a general evolution over the years "How can I hate black people if I adore that black player at out club".
 


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