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[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

Is Labour going to turn the country around

  • Yes

    Votes: 105 28.7%
  • No

    Votes: 213 58.2%
  • Fence

    Votes: 48 13.1%

  • Total voters
    366






Biscuit

Native Creative
Jul 8, 2003
22,330
Brighton
Yes but they'll need two terms, minimum. In my opinion it looks like this:

First term, reform key services, raise taxes, get outside investment and push on with large infrastructure projects. Essentially, put the country on an even-keel.

Second term, rejoin the EU in some form, even if it's just some form of customs union. It's essential and anyone who thinks it isn't needs to get in the sea. Then begin paying down the absolutely enormous national debt and grow the NWF or some other form of sovereign wealth fund.
 


aolstudios

Well-known member
Nov 30, 2011
5,409
brighton
Yes but they'll need two terms, minimum. In my opinion it looks like this:

First term, reform key services, raise taxes, get outside investment and push on with large infrastructure projects. Essentially, put the country on an even-keel.

Second term, rejoin the EU in some form, even if it's just some form of customs union. It's essential and anyone who thinks it isn't needs to get in the sea. Then begin paying down the absolutely enormous national debt and grow the NWF or some other form of sovereign wealth fund.
This ^
 


jcdenton08

Offended Liver Sausage
NSC Patron
Oct 17, 2008
15,020
Second term, rejoin the EU in some form, even if it's just some form of customs union. It's essential and anyone who thinks it isn't needs to get in the sea. Then begin paying down the absolutely enormous national debt and grow the NWF or some other form of sovereign wealth fund.
If this the case (and I’m hoping it is) then do you think they’d need to build the groundwork in their first term by floating the idea to the public? Or would this be so catastrophic to their re-election prospects that they daren’t? Because otherwise they’ve only potentially got the 4 years of their second term to do it start to finish - by it I mean pitch it to the electorate/parliament, campaign, produce figures, negotiate/beg the EU basically from scratch, and all the other variables
 








Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
63,039
The Fatherland
Yes but they'll need two terms, minimum. In my opinion it looks like this:

First term, reform key services, raise taxes, get outside investment and push on with large infrastructure projects. Essentially, put the country on an even-keel.

Second term, rejoin the EU in some form, even if it's just some form of customs union. It's essential and anyone who thinks it isn't needs to get in the sea. Then begin paying down the absolutely enormous national debt and grow the NWF or some other form of sovereign wealth fund.
I am up for you rejoining but I feel it should be as a full participant.
 






jcdenton08

Offended Liver Sausage
NSC Patron
Oct 17, 2008
15,020
As far as I can see, they've already f***d up on two or three occasions and imho (I'm no tory btw) seem to be showing contempt
in a politically (not rationally) motivated way.
I actually appreciated @Pavilionaire ’s views on this. The messaging has been poor, IMHO showing a lack of experience and control. The Sue Gray situation was bad optics. There is a need for change, but I have serious question marks over the implementation of two of their major decisions since July (WFH primarily but also farmers now).

I think Pavilionaire used the term “grow up”. I have to agree.
 


studio150

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 30, 2011
30,324
On the Border
On the brink of World War III, we probably won't be around to measure the success or otherwise of their economic policies.
 


Me Atome

Active member
Mar 10, 2024
132
Now we are stuck with this lot for five years we may as well hope they can do some good. Doesn't look a very good start, though.
 






The Clamp

Well-known member
Jan 11, 2016
26,410
West is BEST
No, bunch of clueless clowns, like the comedy gold that was Diane Abbott.
Well, I’m no major fan but they’re not clueless.

They have chosen some curious sectors of society to bear the burden of the £22bn black hole though.
 


Commander

Arrogant Prat
NSC Patron
Apr 28, 2004
13,655
London
Everyone who voted yes: Labour fan boys who would say yes whatever happened
Everyone who voted no: Tory fan boys who would say no whatever happened
Everyone who voted fence: The sensible people in the middle, where most of the county sit.

How anybody can seriously confidently predict yes or no after 4 months, I have no idea. Presumably they are the same people that write off a 19 year old international striker who has scored hat-tricks in the Premier League.
 




The Clamp

Well-known member
Jan 11, 2016
26,410
West is BEST
Everyone who voted yes: Labour fan boys who would say yes whatever happened
Everyone who voted no: Tory fan boys who would say no whatever happened
Everyone who voted fence: The sensible people in the middle, where most of the county sit.

How anybody can seriously confidently predict yes or no after 4 months, I have no idea. Presumably they are the same people that write off a 19 year old international striker who has scored hat-tricks in the Premier League.
I’m no Tory and I voted No.

It’s more of an EU thing than a party thing.
 


JJ McClure

Go Jags
Jul 7, 2003
11,143
Hassocks
Once they've picked it out, and shook it up they'll turn it you around and turn it into something new.
 




Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,189
Lancing
I predict the tories will be back in power in 2024 after this lot
 




seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
43,975
Crap Town
Yes , I predict a re-introduction of the Winter Fuel Allowance for OAPs receiving less than £25k p.a. in the last budget before the General Election. This could be achieved by making farmers pay 40% inheritance tax above the £3M threshold.
 


amexer

Well-known member
Aug 8, 2011
6,915
Am not a labour votor but after last government they have every chance. They have the time 200 majority Just have to have the balls to make decisions and not try to take middle ground all the time to try and please everbody. So much in there favour Unlike last government, No Brexit no Covid and hopefully interest rates on the way down. Just need Ukraine war to end
 


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