Withdean11
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The CA count is only 55% in. By the time all votes are counted Trump will have around the same number as 2020 if not more.
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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*
- Thread starter Zeberdi
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Yes - my post was more of a dig at Dwayne really, pointing out that he either believes Trump or is happy to support an outright liar.
You mean all those electoral centres that Trump has stuffed with stooges may have not counted some of the votes? Maybe that was his 'little secret'.
More likely a big Democratic vote increase in 2020 to 'get rid of Trump' followed by gradual disillusionment with the result, ending in apathy and a drop back in the vote.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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The problem is that the perceived wisdom, is at the top level, very few politicians are decent people.
Both sides are spreading stories about the dodgy dealings, of their opponents.
From a Trump supporter's position, Biden and Harris were both reprehensible people.
They are prepared to dismiss the stories and convictions as "Fake news", "Politically motivated attacks" etc.
The main-stream media still don't understand, is their view on the "truth", isn't universally accepted as the truth anymore.
Trump understands this more than any other politician.
It's why he wins.
- Oct 12, 2022
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Sadly, I agree with this. Labour’s changes have to be showing some benefits before the time of the next election. The alternative is going to be that grinning ghoul Farage. (Or a successor)
I can’t blame voters, if they feel they’ve tried the usual suspects and neither have made a difference, then they’ll look elsewhere. Trump’s message was simple and powerful. Biden and the Fed had tamed inflation, but too late, and wages had not caught back up. People felt poor.
I see a lot of parallels between the US and here, I fear we’re only one or two terms away from going down the same road. If we want to avoid it, wages need to rise substantially, my suspicion is they won’t, and they’ll continue their post-2008 stagnation. People will turn to something away from the status quo.
They had Born in the USA as their tune recently didn’t they. They didn’t listen to those lyrics did they ?
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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Or more likely, their candidate didn't inspire them to get out and vote.
Trump made big inroads into traditional Democrat demographics.
Maybe large quantities of those voters, couldn't bring themselves to vote for him, but did enough to prevent them voting for Kamala.
dsr-burnley
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- Aug 15, 2014
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Out of interest, who would you blame for the "missing" votes? Biden's government, or the Democrat governors of the swing states? If there is any smidgeon of possibility that 10m votes can be stolen, then it would certainly give credence to Trump's claims about 2020. Surely the point then and now is that the system is robust enough to prevent mass fraud.
- Oct 12, 2022
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I think you’ve misread me. I’m not an apologist for Trump, I’m trying to get my head around why America’s voters knew the character of the man and voted for him anyway.
As I’ve written elsewhere on this thread, we can’t now keep any pretence that America’s voters didn’t know who or what he was, or that he is “accidentally” president. Nor is it likely that a majority of US voters were voting “pro-sexual assault.”
By all means continue your angry posturing if it makes you feel better, I wanted a Harris win too, but I genuinely feel that this election has given a clear message that the US (despite its huge numbers of self-proclaimed Christians) is an amoral nation, motivated entirely by self-interest.
The US own us in all but name, and that makes me feel decidedly queasy.
Jimmy Kimmel visibly trying to hold back the tears as he lists all the people and groups that this election result is bad for which included, of course, "all the people who voted for him who don't realise it yet".
nicko31
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I guess some people are just old fashioned with felony, rape and fraud viewed as red lines. For others they look the other way if they are convinced they will get what they want. Welcome to America 2.0
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dsr-burnley
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- Aug 15, 2014
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It's going to be tricky to make proposals to save democracy if they're going to be founded on the idea that the majority shouldn't win.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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What is interesting is how the term "Fascist" no longer has the impact it did have.
The rest is politics had a political historian on, who made the point that Politics has changed for ever.
The shadow of WWII, is no longer relevant in the politics of the 21st century.
Political campaigning via the main-stream media has little impact in comparison to Social media.
Many of the political class are using tactics, which just don't work.
The rest is politics had a political historian on, who made the point that Politics has changed for ever.
The shadow of WWII, is no longer relevant in the politics of the 21st century.
Political campaigning via the main-stream media has little impact in comparison to Social media.
Many of the political class are using tactics, which just don't work.
nicko31
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If that is the case I guess Harris will not certify the election?
dsr-burnley
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- Aug 15, 2014
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That's simple overuse. All post-war Republican presidents bar Eisenhower have been called fascists by their opponents. The American people simply don't believe that life under any American president- no, not even Trump - was akin to nazi Germany.
dsr-burnley
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Why would she not? Has she ever proposed that democracy has lost if the majority get their way?
I agree - there is a real danger. At least a start has been made on the wages side, with the Minimum Wage going up more than twice inflation (much more for U21s).
Cordwainer
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- Jul 30, 2023
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Easiest gig in politics being in opposition ain’t it? Make all sorts of promises based on the perceived failings of the incumbent government. Stoke people’s fears and give them easy scapegoats. Come into power spend four years fixing nowt and blaming previous reign. They all do it. Short term policies for absolutely no long term gain.
When all of this is being sold to voters by self interested, self aggrandising proven grifters a la Farage n Brexit and lil Donny making Merika grate again, then you really have to wonder about some people’s naivety/ gullibility and all they are prepared to look past.
When all of this is being sold to voters by self interested, self aggrandising proven grifters a la Farage n Brexit and lil Donny making Merika grate again, then you really have to wonder about some people’s naivety/ gullibility and all they are prepared to look past.
Seagull58
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Failed in Florida and North Dakota inthis election though.
pb21
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I agree, VERY likley a rational explanation for the 2020 numbers but it is easy, if you are inclined, to see that as some kind of red flag.