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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Aug 24, 2020
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Caspian Sea eh?
Whisper it quietly, but a Trump win could be just the propellant that Ukraine needs to get this war over the line.
I wouldn't rule out their beating of Russia almost on their own. Slava Ukraini.
I have to say it's quite joyful to watch those drones fly in to their target, and Russia's inability to stop them.
Machiavelli
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You make it sound as though the EU is a super-state with a foreign policy and an army.
Macron wanted a European army...he needed some support maybe.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Discussions around security, outside the NATO remit, will be held at that EU table, which I would prefer HM Government to be a) aware of, b) make contributions to and c) be a party to any joint decisions which affect UK national security.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Paul Warburg cites this as a fundamental reason why Russia has not used any nukes - because it knows its air defences are crap, and they will not stop any nukes lobbed in return.
Machiavelli
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Depends on which of the EU's institutions you're referring to. If it's the Council, remember that there will be representatives of Hungary there so the extent to which they're generating strategies that Putin isn't privy to is open to question. If it's the parliament, then it's an open discussion. To the best of my knowledge, the Commission doesn't engage in such topics.
- Aug 24, 2020
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The fact that Hungary may be passing on info to Russia, is another discussion, and does not detract from the value of Britain being party to EU security considerations.
When Russian agents deployed Novichok on UK soil, our government at the time, even though in the midst of leaving the EU, shared its findings with our European counterparts. Today, being outside the EU, if the situation were reversed, we are now reliant on the kindness of strangers to share their security information with us.
This is not ideal.
The EU are not strangers, any more than the US are strangers. We should be sharing security info with our allies.
We know who those allies are, and they don't include Hungary or Serbia.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Or Slovakia. We did share our information on the Novichok expedition, and it was right that we did.
But there is no obligation on an EU member to share security information with us, if they are not in NATO.
We left the EU. That didn't - and hasn't - stopped us working with the EU, or the EU co-operating with us when there is a mutual interest - and right now there is! We're still geographically part of Europe, and friends with the nation states therein.
Just not with Hungary, perhaps.
Mostly (the ones that are big enough to matter anyway) they are in NATO - so what's the problem (apart from f***in' Russia)?
Here's more detail on the hit in the Caspian Sea, from Joe Bloggs. Shows one drone being hit by small arms fire, and the one (at least) getting through. Also map, distances etc. Just the first three minutes.
Not that video
- Aug 24, 2020
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Mostly? The ones that matter? What are these filtering decisions based on? Have you shared them with UK security services?
Are you aware of any Russian activities off the west coast of Ireland? Did the Irish let us know about them, or did we find out about them another way?
- Nov 11, 2009
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Massive news. Olaf Scholz of Germany who has been weak and indecisive/appeasing re Ukraine, coalition government has just collapsed.
If Merz of CDU (Merkels party) who are largest opposition and ahead in most polls, becomes head of new coalition, he is massively pro Ukraine and says he will allow Taurus cruise missiles and long range strikes.
Risk is if Afd get in, the fascist party who will cut off Ukraine.
www.politico.eu
If Merz of CDU (Merkels party) who are largest opposition and ahead in most polls, becomes head of new coalition, he is massively pro Ukraine and says he will allow Taurus cruise missiles and long range strikes.
Risk is if Afd get in, the fascist party who will cut off Ukraine.
German government coalition collapses as Scholz sacks Finance Minister Lindner
Christian Lindner’s liberals are making demands for economic reforms that are hard for other coalition members to accept.
www.politico.eu
- Aug 24, 2020
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It happens to the best of us (and me as well). Last night, I posted a video of a beaver eating cabbage on the US election thread.Not that video
No change since WWII as far as Ireland is concerned then - as always, ABE.