[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

carlzeiss said:

Could this mean that the BBC may not actually fact check their news articles after all ?

Southport: Three more men jailed for violent disorder

They admit taking part in a disturbance near Southport mosque after three girls were fatally stabbed.

www.bbc.co.uk

"The violence was started by false online rumours that the suspect in the Southport attack was a Muslim."

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Zeberdi said:

Where do you get the idea from that he is a Muslim?

MSM widely reported that he was a ‘quiet and introverted ‘choir boy’‘ living with his parents who were ’heavily’ involved in the local Church.

The BBC are correct in stating that the riots were started by false rumours on social media that Axel Rudabukana was a muslim immigrant.


Can people actually stop posting false information - isn’t X bad enough without NSC adding to the mountains of rumours

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jcdenton08 said:

Hands up who has Islamist terror material in their possession, along with deadly poison, having just murdered three innocent young girls at a birthday party? Nobody?

Big difference between the above and owning a copy of “The Communist Manifesto”, a comparison, I think, which is rather blasé and disingenuous.

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Jackthelad said:

That’s one article

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Southport stabbing: Who is Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, the 17-year-old who ‘killed’ 3 children?

After keeping his identity unknown for days, a court in the UK has lifted the restrictions in naming the 17-year-old accused in the Southport stabbing case. The teen has been identified as Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, who according to neighbours, is ‘quiet and introverted’. His motive for killing...

www.firstpost.com

Zeberdi said:

You seem to be missing the point. For a crime to be designated at a terrorist attack it has to be motivated by an ideology at the time of the attack. Otherwise it is just a murder charge.


You may be right - the police could establish a causative link with what they found in the house to a terrorist intention behind his killing spree. However, until that is clearly established, they cannot bring a charge of Terrorism against him for the attack. They have to prove that he was trying to further a religious or political ideology.


The latest terror charges do not require the element of intention so easier to prove - the charges are possession and production of Ricin.

We just don’t know enough to speculate and the rumours circulating of cover ups are ridiculous conspiracy theories being pedalled by the hard right to keep immigrant and anti-Muslim sentiments at the fore.

I posted another above.

This is information that was provided in Court and by neighbours.

“In court, the prosecution said that Rudakubana had been “diagnosed with autism” and had been “unwilling to leave the house and communicate with family for a period of time”.

Southport stabbing: Who is Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, the 17-year-old who ‘killed’ 3 children?

After keeping his identity unknown for days, a court in the UK has lifted the restrictions in naming the 17-year-old accused in the Southport stabbing case. The teen has been identified as Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, who according to neighbours, is ‘quiet and introverted’. His motive for killing...

www.firstpost.com

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Guinness Boy said:

Yes. This was covered in detail, yet brilliantly explained on this morning's Today programme. The legislation (not made by the current government) - as it stands - mean that you have to prove the defendant was motivated to terrorise people due to a religious or political ideology.

In the past this was easy. People made martyrdom videos or social media posts which showed they were exactly that. Police are still trying to establish whether this is the case for Southport, which is why speculating about it could endanger the whole prosecution.

It's also why Tommy Ten Names was asked for his phone pin. To search for evidence (or not) of crimes that were motivated by his political beliefs.

It's throughly depressing to read that in 2024 there's still a significant portion of Brighton's fanbase who believe that a white man should be treated better than a black or brown one under the law and then even seek to label it "two tier". I thought we were better than that but clearly the monkey chants and bananas have been replaced by social media activity.

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jcdenton08 said:

Hands up who has Islamist terror material in their possession, along with deadly poison, having just murdered three innocent young girls at a birthday party? Nobody?

Big difference between the above and owning a copy of “The Communist Manifesto”, a comparison, I think, which is rather blasé and disingenuous.

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rippleman said:

Does it really matter about his motives or religion?

This cowardly scumbag bastard is never going to walk the streets again. He is going to get a whole life sentence which I very much hope he sees out in isolation and fear.

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jcdenton08 said:

Hands up who has Islamist terror material in their possession, along with deadly poison, having just murdered three innocent young girls at a birthday party? Nobody?

Big difference between the above and owning a copy of “The Communist Manifesto”, a comparison, I think, which is rather blasé and disingenuous.

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Littlemo said:

Actually not an Islamic terror manual but when we were much younger, my brother and his friends found the IRA terrorist handbook online and printed it off. He showed me the bit that tells you how to blow up cars with washing-up liquid.

I don’t think it was all that difficult to find, this was ages ago and they found it during computer class at school, so they aren’t computer literate whizz kids by any stretch of the imagination.

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Jackthelad said:

That’s one article

How much of that is true. It seems highly unlikely.

Rightly or wrongly the reporting on one of the most evil acts this nation has seen has been very iffy to say the least.

The “ good Christian” story sounds utterly ridiculous. Maybe when he was a younger they mean.

He has Islamist material. What time frame are we talking about as well. When was he active in his church and was that a tactic to hide his true Islamist ideology. We will have to see what we get told in the coming months and (if we actually get told the truth)

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Zeberdi said:

I’m a bit confused by your comments.

The Southport killings weren’t deemed a terrorist attack by the police and according to the news I have looked at on actual news sites, Southport is still not being deemed a terrorist attack. In order for there to be a terrorist attack there needs to be a motive present which the Counter Terrorism police haven’t (yet) established in the Southport killings. No one covered anything up afaics.

Subsequently, after the stabbings, the property was searched and he is now being charged with separate offences under S1 of the Biological Weapons Act 1974 for the production of ricin (which presented a low risk to the public) and under S58 of the Terrorism Act 2000 for possession of a document that could be used to plan a terror attack.

Apparently the police are still investigating the stabbings and as such will be very reticent about releasing any information to protect the integrity of their case.

Not all hoof sounds are the sounds of zebras - some are just horses

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jcdenton08 said:

Had they cultivated ricin and murdered three children too?

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jcdenton08 said:

Had they cultivated ricin and murdered three children too?

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rippleman said:

Does it really matter about his motives or religion?

This cowardly scumbag bastard is never going to walk the streets again. He is going to get a whole life sentence which I very much hope he sees out in isolation and fear.

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A1X said:

So let me get this straight. The accusation is the police withheld some information (which had no bearing on the severity of the crime committed nor the likelihood of placing other members of the public in danger) because there were riots happening and they wanted to cool tensions.

And that’s somehow bad?

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