[Albion] Palace Fans Biggest Fear

Jim in the West · Oct 22, 2024

loz said:
Anderson wanted palace to match Fulham’s £150 k per week and contract length ( 5 years??) they were not prepared to do that,but Ayew was very underrated and hardly used by Glasner.

I do blame the manager he got the players he asked for and his star player is gash. Palace have always managed so far with 16/17 premier players and as I said on paper this looks the strongest squad we have ever had.

If that's true, that's the real issue.....buying players because the manager wants them! Of course, there could be a lot more to it (eg: Palace's own data on these players could have been really positive). But buying players for a particular manager is the road to ruin. Our model is, of course, very different (but loads of clubs now have a data-driven approach). And when a manager seeks to get their own players (eg:RDZ) it will only end in tears.

Triggaaar · Oct 23, 2024

loz said:
The depressing thing is the squad maybe the best we have ever had in the premier league and it’s being wasted by a manger who refuses to try anther formation FFS!

What formation was working for you at the end of last season? If it's this one, why has it suddenly gone wrong - and if it was different, why the hell has he changed a winning formula?

dazzer6666 · Oct 23, 2024

Triggaaar said:
What formation was working for you at the end of last season? If it's this one, why has it suddenly gone wrong - and if it was different, why the hell has he changed a winning formula?

Think a lot of their good results at the end of last season were due to the usual end of season ‘beach’ type stuff v teams that had not much left to play for or had other issues - West Ham, Newcastle, Wolves, Man U for example - so ultimately a bit misleading in terms of their true capability (in the same way we fell off a cliff after DeZ lost his mojo/fell out with TB/couldn’t deal with his Rome humiliation or however you want to describe it). We’re seeing their true capability now though perhaps :laugh:

Mancgull · Oct 23, 2024

The loss of Olise and Anderson is a big one for Palace. Both going in one window and not being replaced adequately is a big influence.
Add to that Wharton being unfit.

Justice · Oct 23, 2024

Mancgull said:
The loss of Olise and Anderson is a big one for Palace. Both going in one window and not being replaced adequately is a big influence.
Add to that Wharton being unfit.

A few Palace on the sports bar saying without actually saying it they were a one man Olise team and now he’s gone they are shite. Or It’s all Parish his fault get out of my club

Triggaaar · Oct 23, 2024

Biscuit said:
They'll need to target 10 wins to be safe imo*

10 wins from 30 games.. big ask.

*There are exceptions, of course. Everton survived the drop in 2022/23 with just 8 wins all season. I think Forrest got 9 last year? But it's a decent rule of thumb.

It's a decent number to aim for, but Ipswich and Southampton won't be getting too many points this season. Palace just need one other club to do badly. Third from bottom only had 26 points last season, so I don't expect Palace to need anything like 10 wins.

Biscuit · Oct 23, 2024

Triggaaar said:
It's a decent number to aim for, but Ipswich and Southampton won't be getting too many points this season. Palace just need one other club to do badly. Third from bottom only had 26 points last season, so I don't expect Palace to need anything like 10 wins.

Aye, just wishful thinking. I totally forgot there was something like 6 points between Forrest and Luton last season. Felt closer!

Triggaaar · Oct 23, 2024

bWize said:
Their message board is amusing at the moment

There have been a couple of people on here like doogie and se25 that I'll happily laugh at, but that post reminds me of supporting Brighton too much, so I can't bring myself to laugh at him/her.

Deportivo Seagull · Oct 23, 2024

Triggaaar said:
It's a decent number to aim for, but Ipswich and Southampton won't be getting too many points this season. Palace just need one other club to do badly. Third from bottom only had 26 points last season, so I don't expect Palace to need anything like 10 wins.

Scumhampton are done.
it’s all down to whether palace can take points of the other relegation rivals and for once I’m not sure that they can. It all going to be very traumatic for the black clad twats up the road.

Triggaaar · Oct 23, 2024

dazzer6666 said:
Think a lot of their good results at the end of last season were due to the usual end of season ‘beach’ type stuff v teams that had not much left to play for or had other issues - West Ham, Newcastle, Wolves, Man U for example - so ultimately a bit misleading in terms of their true capability (in the same way we fell off a cliff after DeZ lost his mojo/fell out with TB/couldn’t deal with his Rome humiliation or however you want to describe it).

What's odd though it that although they did face some teams at the right time, some of their wins were by very decent margins. I didn't watch them, so I don't know how much was down to them and how much was down to the opposition.

Losing Olise was a big deal, but I honestly did not see this start to the season coming.

dazzer6666 said:
We’re seeing their true capability now though perhaps

Let's hope so.

dazzer6666 · Oct 23, 2024

Triggaaar said:
Losing Olise was a big deal, but I honestly did not see this start to the season coming.

It's the stuff of dreams :lol:

Braggfan · Oct 23, 2024

Jeremiah said:
In the last 4 seasons 35pts , 29pts , 27 pts & 35pts would have seen a side stay out of the bottom 3. But point deductions had come into play so Palace may have to rely on Man City getting a 70 point deduction this year

Its always been said that 40 points is needed to be safe from relegation, but in the last 10 years there's only been 3 occasions where 35 points hasn't been enough. So realistically another 32 points would probably see them safe. With the other 3 teams around them being equally bad at the moment it could well be less.

32 points would be 8 wins, 8 draws from 30 games. Alternatively, 7 wins, 11 draws from 30 games. Option A seems a bit easier to me. Either way they will have to tighten up at the back and stop shipping goals. If they can get a few draws first, especially against stronger teams, then they might get some confidence back to start nicking a few wins. You would also assume that they have to get some home form going, and keep things tight on the road. Its doable but its a difficult ask, everyone needs to be on the same page. You need the squad pulling together and fighting for each other. Of the bottom four teams, I think Ipswich and Wolves probably have a better chance of getting the squad to do that.

Its too early to tell at the moment, but they do have some injuries, so those players coming back might help. Buy they are definitely in big trouble.

Jim in the West · Oct 23, 2024

I like the way we’ve lent Buonanotte to Leicester - it’s not just about his personal development!!

Skuller · Oct 23, 2024

Braggfan said:
32 points would be 8 wins, 8 draws from 30 games. Alternatively, 7 wins, 11 draws from 30 games. Option A seems a bit easier to me. Either way they will have to tighten up at the back and stop shipping goals. If they can get a few draws first, especially against stronger teams, then they might get some confidence back to start nicking a few wins..

Agree with lot of what you say but “shipping goals” isn’t one of their problems. They’ve only shipped one more goal than Brighton.

Braggfan · Oct 23, 2024

Skuller said:
Agree with lot of what you say but “shipping goals” isn’t one of their problems. They’ve only shipped one more goal than Brighton.

I know what you're saying. Because obviously you need to score to win games.

Everyone has their own opinion on tactics. Personally, I think its easier for a struggling team to tighten their defence than transform their attack into a free scoring team. And even though they're not "shipping goals", when you look at their results, 3 draws and 5 defeats. 4 of those defeats have been by the the odd goal.

So playing the way they are, with the players they have, and 1 goal has been the difference from turning draws into win's and defeats into draws, I think it would be easier for them to transform themselves into a team that concede 1 less goal a game, than it would be a team that score 1 more goal a game.

So you're right they're not exactly shipping goals, and because they're not going to turn into Man City overnight, realistically what can they do? I think tightening that defence would be a good starting point. It might just be enough to change some of those tight results in their favour and they can build from there.

Obviously I hope they don't manage to stop conceding or start scoring goals

Grizz · Oct 23, 2024

Triggaaar said:
There have been a couple of people on here like doogie and se25 that I'll happily laugh at, but that post reminds me of supporting Brighton too much, so I can't bring myself to laugh at him/her.

You're right, I've actually felt the same as that Palace fan before, but maybe indicative of struggling with other things in their life at the moment.

Tim Over Whelmed · Oct 23, 2024

As funny and enjoyable as this is we are only eight games into the season, I think we’ve seen teams season after season at the top and bottom of the league and miles away from it at the end of the season.

Personally I do feel they’ll be in the bottom six, but not sure they’ll go down, although the charity bet still stands if anyone wants to take it on?

Fair play to @loz for coming on and having a fair and reasonable debate, as I’m sure @Dougie will as soon as his Mum switches the WiFi back on.

dazzer6666 · Oct 23, 2024

Triggaaar · Oct 23, 2024

Skuller said:
Agree with lot of what you say but “shipping goals” isn’t one of their problems. They’ve only shipped one more goal than Brighton.

Well it is our problem too.

eaglesdan · Oct 23, 2024

As I said last week, what could go wrong? Well everything! You win at Newcastle, and we lose at Forest. I didnt think we were that bad at Forest, and bbc website had Forest keeper as man of the match, but we are short on confidence, and as soon as we went behind, the game was gone. Players looked shocked at the end when they didnt get a good reception from the fans, but they have to accept some of the blame. Glasner making some odd selections and substitutions. Hughes at least looks like he wants to win, and handled the abuse from Forest really well, so he gets hooked after 60 minutes, alongside Eddie. Then Schlupp comes on and Munoz goes to left back, just bizarre. Spurs on Sunday is a free hit, but then Wolves away becomes huge. Lose both and Glasner could be gone, with Moyes waiting in the wings

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