Elegantly put. Agree with 110% of that
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[Albion] Thomas Tuchel **Appointed England Manager 15/10/24**
- Thread starter Richy_Seagull
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Here's a FACT for you.
Of the last 39 World Cups and European Championship tournaments, 38 have been won by a manager managing his own country. The single exception was when Greece won Euro 2004 with Otto Rehhagel, a German in charge. They then went on to fail to qualify for the next World Cup, and have failed to beat a "top 6" nation in any game since then until...(checks notes)...England, last week.
I think its PATHETIC that England have (once again) brought in another ringer. Something that Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Brazil or Argentina have NEVER resorted to. Not once.
I saw an idea floated in the press today that there should be a new FIFA rule. If you've won the World Cup, you can't employ a foreign manager. If you've been the champions of your continent, you can't employ a foreign manager. If your nation has spent the last 10 years inside FIFA's top 100 (England have never been lower than 27th), then you cannot employ a foreign manager.
Leave it for the developing nations, or the Scotch, to bring in a ringer. The likes of England employing an overseas boss ? EMBARRASING.
Of the last 39 World Cups and European Championship tournaments, 38 have been won by a manager managing his own country. The single exception was when Greece won Euro 2004 with Otto Rehhagel, a German in charge. They then went on to fail to qualify for the next World Cup, and have failed to beat a "top 6" nation in any game since then until...(checks notes)...England, last week.
I think its PATHETIC that England have (once again) brought in another ringer. Something that Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Brazil or Argentina have NEVER resorted to. Not once.
I saw an idea floated in the press today that there should be a new FIFA rule. If you've won the World Cup, you can't employ a foreign manager. If you've been the champions of your continent, you can't employ a foreign manager. If your nation has spent the last 10 years inside FIFA's top 100 (England have never been lower than 27th), then you cannot employ a foreign manager.
Leave it for the developing nations, or the Scotch, to bring in a ringer. The likes of England employing an overseas boss ? EMBARRASING.
This sounds like an outstanding argument for a) having a German manager, and b) not having an English manager.
I'd genuinely rather see England managed by a tea cosy. Mainly because I just don't like him, but also because we'd have to put up with people claiming he's really intelligent because "he's got some GCSEs".
Deportivo Seagull
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110% ….. you are going to hell for thatElegantly put. Agree with 110% of that
We all know how it works, his agent/club would have been sounded out before being asked for an interview.
More importantly Neville knows how it works and is being fake outraged
So you think he would be as annoyed if it was Pep? No
Frank Lampard? I think he did well at Everton given what was going on at the time.... but come on.
Tuchel took Lampards struggling side and won the CL so there is proof at club level at least he's a better manager.
Randy McNob
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I agree with nearly all of this, I just have issues with the first 2 Foreign managers looking back at what they brought to the table. If I recall, when Keegan threw the towel in and said he wasn't up to it, the FA felt we were tactically naive, technically deficient and falling behind on the international stage so went for a foreign boss to change that. The metric was whenever we faced a top nation in the knock phase of a tourament we always came up short. Eriksen did not fulfill that brief as that never changed (2002 - Brazil / 2004 - Portugal / 2006 - Portugal). If anything he took us backwards, the margins are even finer in International football and I could list many errors/gaffes that were the difference in winning and losing i.e. Shoehorning Beckham / pushing Scholes out to the left (and into retirement), picking Walcott who never played a minute for his club (and not even playing him), Gerrard/Lampard in a flat 4-4-2 never worked and he never changed it /picking injured players - Rooney 2006 (wound up/sent off) / bringing on Carragher to take a penalty (who then missed) etc etc. I challenge you to name 1 positive to counter balance this (i'll wait). As for Crapello, he wasn't cut out for this role, he didn't tick any box, he hadn't managed at International level, hadn't managed in England, couldn't speak English, and so the inevitable train crash ensued with the keystone cops display v Algeria folowed by the Germany 1-4 humiliation. The only man to break the cycle was Southgate who made us respectable on the big stage and a team to be feared. I have nothing them personally it's the FA I blame as they rarely pick the right person, they were lucky with Southgate and is why on this basis I think Tuchel will also be a massive failure, as the FA's track record is abysmal
Happy to be fixtured.... I haven't read the whole thread... but this popped up on FB
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Other people in other countries (calling Han Solo) may deride us for this but I'm really not that bothered * shock horror *. It's like being bothered when people not from Brighton complain about the atmosphere, ok thanks for your input but who cares what you think?
Deportivo Seagull
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Southgate feared? Really? Predictable … he made us predictable.
Randy McNob
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The fact that it's stuck in your head and you posted it here means you kind of do care....?
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So it was always likely to have been a foreign manager. And the next one might be too.
Still waiting for your answers, @Randy McNob . I can see that you've been busy posting absolute nonsense on the Kaba thread, but you probably need a break from everyone else who disagrees with you (the feeling might well be mutual...), so please feel free to do more of the same here as before. I'm happy to take one here for the NSC team. As much as we may disagree, it's much less contentious and inflammatory here than there.
From BBC Sport: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c7494rxe3l9t
Guardiola was offered the England job before Thomas Tuchel was appointed, according to football journalist and BBC sport columnist Gulllem Balague.
Pep Guardiola was actually offered the [England] job and he thought about it for two months, after two months, he said no because 'I don't even know what I'm going to do at the end of this season'.
Manchester City right now feel he’s closer to staying than leaving, but nobody really knows – what seems clear is that in the cycle from the next World Cup to the following one, he will have a national side and England are favourites.
It's 18 months that Thomas Tuchel has the job, it takes him to the World Cup. Ok, if Tuchel wins the World Cup then forget that plan.
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola consistently responded "it doesn't matter" when asked whether he was approached by the FA for the England job.
"Thomas Tuchel is the manager, forget about it," he said, speaking two days after Tuchel was announced as the new England boss. "I'm the manager of Man City, forget about it. The rest is not important."
On whether England's manager should be English, Guardiola said: "We don't decide where we're born. Mum and Dad decide that and nine months later we're here!
"I know we are proud of where we are from but the world is so big. You have to be open-minded."
Still waiting for your answers, @Randy McNob . I can see that you've been busy posting absolute nonsense on the Kaba thread, but you probably need a break from everyone else who disagrees with you (the feeling might well be mutual...), so please feel free to do more of the same here as before. I'm happy to take one here for the NSC team. As much as we may disagree, it's much less contentious and inflammatory here than there.
From BBC Sport: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c7494rxe3l9t
Guardiola was offered the England job before Thomas Tuchel was appointed, according to football journalist and BBC sport columnist Gulllem Balague.
Pep Guardiola was actually offered the [England] job and he thought about it for two months, after two months, he said no because 'I don't even know what I'm going to do at the end of this season'.
Manchester City right now feel he’s closer to staying than leaving, but nobody really knows – what seems clear is that in the cycle from the next World Cup to the following one, he will have a national side and England are favourites.
It's 18 months that Thomas Tuchel has the job, it takes him to the World Cup. Ok, if Tuchel wins the World Cup then forget that plan.
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola consistently responded "it doesn't matter" when asked whether he was approached by the FA for the England job.
"Thomas Tuchel is the manager, forget about it," he said, speaking two days after Tuchel was announced as the new England boss. "I'm the manager of Man City, forget about it. The rest is not important."
On whether England's manager should be English, Guardiola said: "We don't decide where we're born. Mum and Dad decide that and nine months later we're here!
"I know we are proud of where we are from but the world is so big. You have to be open-minded."
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