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[Albion] Thomas Tuchel **Appointed England Manager 15/10/24**
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Man of Harveys
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It’s actually quite sweet that this much-gobbed about “rivalry” is so pitifully one sided: Germany’s main rivals are those perma losing disputatious clowns clad in orange. Germany love playing England: it’s seen as a time-honoured classic international fixture against the undisputed home country of the game. Oh and they nearly always win.
Anyway, I’ll shut up, back to the moron fest. Love it.
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@mejonaNO12 aka riskit has explained it very clearly above, so there's really no need and apologies in advance to everyone else, but I'm happy to indulge you here. Again.
1. You made the sweeping claim that our only 2 previous foreign managers were the worst.
2. I posted a small table showing England's top 6 managers with regards to win percentages where Capello is in 1st and Eriksson in 6th.
3. You replied saying that success was more than just win percentages.
4. I agreed, but said that my understanding of the word "worst" wouldn't and couldn't by definition include the manager with the best record.
5. You replied with what looks on the surface like a grievance of "Sir Bobby" and "El Tel" being ignored. Really?
I haven't changed my angle at all. There's lies, damned lies and statistics.
Again I agree with you that 'success' can't be measured on statistics alone, but Capello statistically has the best win percentage record of England managers.
And for a game that's often described as 'a results business', a foreign England manager, whether you like it or not, has the best record to date.
Regardless of other measures of success that can be factored in, that doesn't make him the "worst" as you claim. Logically speaking, it can't.
But do feel free to disagree.
It looks like I'm in a minority here, but I genuinely couldn't care less about the nationality of the England manager. I am 100% an England fan at major tournaments and nothing in between. So as long as the manager makes England do well in those tournaments, great.
Having a German as a manager is irrelevant, in my opinion. Most Germans I know (and it's a fair few though work) view the "rivalry" with England as quite cute. Kinda like when Crawley cropped up recently and started gobbing off about being rivals after the EFL Cup game. Germany's rivals are the Netherlands, France and Italy. England have a rivalry with Germany, Germany don't have a rivalry with England.
I actually quite like the idea of a German Brighton manager and a German England manager at the same time.
Having a German as a manager is irrelevant, in my opinion. Most Germans I know (and it's a fair few though work) view the "rivalry" with England as quite cute. Kinda like when Crawley cropped up recently and started gobbing off about being rivals after the EFL Cup game. Germany's rivals are the Netherlands, France and Italy. England have a rivalry with Germany, Germany don't have a rivalry with England.
I actually quite like the idea of a German Brighton manager and a German England manager at the same time.
Indeed. But the chances of the conniption fit happening after a trophy win are higher than our getting anywhere near a trophy during Beheaddie's nine year tenure, and titanic battles with the likes if Malta and The Faroe Islands in the third tier of the EUFA Nations League.
In all seriousness, and after my having a little fun about it all, I entirely agree with you.
.I'm quite happy with the appointment. The FA obviously didn't rate Potter and, whilst I would have preferred Eddie Howe, as he's not available then this is irrelevant.
The 2nd most successful manager we ever had was pretty much hounded out of the job, just like all the less successful ones before him, it will be no different with Tommy T. Armchair England fans are so similar to fans of the big six, they expect constant success and will whine and whine if when it doesn't come. Most fans who regularly attend England matches are much less needy.
The 2nd most successful manager we ever had was pretty much hounded out of the job, just like all the less successful ones before him, it will be no different with Tommy T. Armchair England fans are so similar to fans of the big six, they expect constant success and will whine and whine if when it doesn't come. Most fans who regularly attend England matches are much less needy.
You do have a point.
However, it is next to impossible to compare managers who follow in a sequence. So it is possible to paint the Sven era black or beige, depending on whim.
Bit like politics. Was Thatcher 'better' than Blair? Possible to spin it either way.
But England management is not as stark as politics. Even Keegan was no Truss.
- Aug 24, 2020
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But they're vermin Fawlty.
el punal
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Your post reminds me of a conversation I had with a Tottenham fan. I asked him who Spurs fans consider their most disliked rivals are? The answer? Arsenal, obviously, Chelsea - the animosity goes back to the cup final of 1967. I asked about West Ham as the Bubbles fans always go on about how much they hate Tottenham. He replied “Don’t give a shit mate. We don’t care about them - and that gets them even more wound up.”
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Quite so. I was at Wembley for Finland in September and Greece last Thursday (shudder) and will be there again for Ireland a month tomorrow.
I'll admit he's not the German I wanted - Klopp would've ticked all the boxes for me of elite manager and a proven tactician who can connect with players and fans with passion and bring attacking entertaining football.
But if Tuchel can deliver something of the same and get the best out of our players, I genuinely couldn't care less.
Ability beats nationality every time. And for me, so it should.
ManOfSussex
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Don't mention the VAR.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Well, you started it !
I think thats a very weird stance when it comes to national teams.
If nationality doesn't matter, maybe scrap national teams completely? Remake the World Cup into Premier League Best XI against Bundesliga Best XI or something in that case.
I didnt even realise England were looking for a new manager.
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They’re desperate but not that desperate.
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Ah, I was talking about manager's nationality, not those of players.
John Lennon's line of "imagine there's no countries..." would have brought chaos to world sporting events.
Why does the nationality of the manager mean less than the nationality of the players?