[TV] UKIP: The First 100 days. Channel 4 - 9:00PM

[pastafarian]

A party like UKIP, if they hypothetically got into power, would almost certainly change the rules so they stayed in power. It is a genuinely terrifying thought, although something like that would be perfect to set the stage for a long-awaited British revolution.

you probably need to get out a bit more and stop being so paranoid.

firstly what rule changes and scenarios have you been running through your head that would have UKIP staying in power for ever?

secondly the only truly frightening thing i can see here is the fact you have actually been contemplating this perceived outcome and hoping to use it as a possible starting point for a revolution.

 

[clapham_gull]

Astonished this was broadcast in the lead up to an election. The use of real footage makes it even worse.

It doesn't break the rules but sets a very dangerous precedent. Unfortunately it makes the channel look like it has taken a political position. Leave that for newspapers and Fox News please.

 

[cunning fergus]

You do look a bit of a tit though if you want the UK to leave the EU because of what you perceive as unfair policies when you had the chance to influence the policies and didn't even bother to turn up!
The least anyone can expect from him is to turn up and fight tooth and nail for the UK not just give up and not bother and then complain afterwards.

Those voting UKIP don't want to fight for influence in the EU they want out. You don't agree with that policy which is fine but this line of argument that somehow Farage is failing to discharge his political responsibility is absurd.

Those who vote Sinn Fein don't care that their elected politicians don't fight their corner in Parliament, they don't care. The dynamic with UKIP is the same, albeit the more disruption and expenses they can get the better.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

 

[pastafarian]

Learning from history and global politics, far-right governments will only ever result in one thing. An authoritarian state that is nigh impossible to remove.

We can take clues from their policies - more prisons, more guns, harsher laws, classism. It is reasonable to predict that their true nature would be magnified if they ever gained any kind of power - it is the same all over the world, every democratic country has a UKIP... but only the unfortunate ones ever give them power.

Your first mistake was making the assumption that UKIP wishing to withdraw from the EU some how makes it "far right".

you should probably have a look at some "far left" political groups and see what their policy towards the EU is also.

your grasp on politics is somewhat laughable at the best of times.

 

[cunning fergus]

Astonished this was broadcast in the lead up to an election. The use of real footage makes it even worse.

It doesn't break the rules but sets a very dangerous precedent. Unfortunately it makes the channel look like it has taken a political position. Leave that for newspapers and Fox News please.

Rumours circulating on different commentaries on this program that the producers Raw TV receive funding from Creative Europe Media who have a €1.5bn budget from the EU to fund different programs. If true and UKIP exploit it, may be an even bigger own goal.

http://www.mediadeskuk.eu/about-us/what-is-creative-europe/

 

[cunning fergus]

It is not hard to understand it just does not make any sense.
How can you say the EU policy is bad for the UK when you were one of the people who was involved in creating that policy? He is essentially saying he is a bad politician and did not get a good deal for the UK. No? The fact that he failed to influence any EU policy in our favour because he simply didn't turn up is even more damning. Do you really want the country run by a man who does not turn up if he is not interested in the thing that is going on?

Do you understand the voting motives of voters who vote Sinn Fein, or even the SNP?

If you do, you have your answer, if not we will be on here for years.

The EU issue is not just a case of the simple tory supporting EU enthusiasts, it's also about sovereignty. The limits of national democracy and sovereignty are currently being played out with the Greek crisis. It's interesting that it's the Germans who are the arbiters of Greece's destiny, no one else seems to be involved. If you are happy to barrel down the same road, fine, don't expect everyone to follow you.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

The programme will not change my mind. I will vote Ukip because the EU does nothing for me or my wallet and I want out. I have voted tory all my life as I believe in low taxes and personal, non state interference . This so called tory party have actually raised taxes and are a complete shambles. Labour, the "people's party" have killed thousands in illegal wars and spent my tax money on importing migrant workers to fill jobs at cheaper rates whilst keeping 7 million brits on the states leash. I fancy a complete change and will risk Ukip for 5 years until the real tory party turn up. I may turn out to regret this decision, only time will tell.

Vote UKIP, get Milliband and Sturgeon.

 

[GT49er]

The programme was pure propaganda, trying to frighten people. If it wasn't a voice for the chatterati and the establishment, then I bet they wish they had thought of it first!
Can we trust Channel 4 to now be even handed with similar crap about:

1). The tories; policies to make the rich richer, setting up the Isle of Wight as a tax haven and introducing labour camps for the long term unemployed, and the disabled.
2). Labour; facilitating a Greek style bankruptcy; outlawing socialism of any kind.
3). Lib Dems; f.c.u.k. knows, but probably signing up to a United States of Europe, under the benevolent rule of Angela Merkel. Oh, and saying we must be nice to anyone who can get themselves on to this island by whatever means, with a human right to bring whatever practices from their own country that they think is OK.
4). Greens; Meh - but see Lib Dems above.

All could be made into spoof documentaries, but will Channel 4 do it?

Just give me an accurate prediction for when hell finally freezes over will you?

 

[Pavilionaire]

It's ironic that many on this thread accuse Channel 4 of propaganda and 731 viewers complain to Ofcom that UKIP has been hard done by, yet 24 hours later the channel screens the first of three episodes about Romanian immigrants in the UK, surely manna from heaven for UKIP?

In tonight's opener one Romanian bloke couldn't contain his delight as he withdrew his first benefits payment from the cashpoint, remarking how he was surprised it had come through so quick and how he loved this country. Within days his Romanian friend had taken him down the hospital to get his dodgy teeth fixed on the NHS.

 

[pastafarian]

Learning from history and global politics, far-right governments will only ever result in one thing. An authoritarian state that is nigh impossible to remove.

We can take clues from their policies - more prisons, more guns, harsher laws, classism. It is reasonable to predict that their true nature would be magnified if they ever gained any kind of power - it is the same all over the world, every democratic country has a UKIP... but only the unfortunate ones ever give them power.

You have avoided the question.

I understand as you admit that you are terrified of UKIP ,but tell me specifically what parliamentary rules UKIP would seek to change to remain in power for ever,i am sure you have your own reasons for not answering this question posed to you earlier......but this obviously worries you enough to be concerned about it but you seem unable to answer.

Is the question too hard for you?

 

[daveinprague]

The programme was pure propaganda, trying to frighten people. If it wasn't a voice for the chatterati and the establishment, then I bet they wish they had thought of it first!
Can we trust Channel 4 to now be even handed with similar crap about:

1). The tories; policies to make the rich richer, setting up the Isle of Wight as a tax haven and introducing labour camps for the long term unemployed, and the disabled.
2). Labour; facilitating a Greek style bankruptcy; outlawing socialism of any kind.
3). Lib Dems; f.c.u.k. knows, but probably signing up to a United States of Europe, under the benevolent rule of Angela Merkel. Oh, and saying we must be nice to anyone who can get themselves on to this island by whatever means, with a human right to bring whatever practices from their own country that they think is OK.
4). Greens; Meh - but see Lib Dems above.

All could be made into spoof documentaries, but will Channel 4 do it?

Just give me an accurate prediction for when hell finally freezes over will you?

'100 Days of UKIP was blatant fear mongering, insists party of blatant fear mongers'

 

[Hotchilidog]

Cannot believe this was allowed to air in an election year. Won't dignify the programme by watching it, blatant propaganda. Whoever approved the commission should be embarrassed. Sadly this will just succeed in putting UKIP back in the limelight after a quiet period for which has seen their poll numbers reduce. I expect to see them go back up as a result of this.

 

[jakarta]

British people would never vote for such a thing in the first place.

Ahem, Clacton? Rochester and Strood?

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

No, no, no. You are getting way too confused and bogged down. My point was that he never shows up but takes the money. End of. No more, no less. He's no better than all the other thieving politicians . The fact people vote for him tells me they are dolts, not that he is worthy.

I prefer to believe that it is the people who don't exercise their right to vote in European elections who are the dolts.

If you are given the opportunity to have your say, and you choose to keep silent, then you have no right to criticise the choice of others.

Once again I refer honourable NSC'ers to the turnout figures for the Scottish Referendum. Scotland chose to stay with England. If everyone turned out for European elections I think they would choose to stay within the EU.

For Farage and UKIP to blame the EU for the UK electorate being apathetic is unreasoned and disingenuous, and the biggest con trick UKIP are getting away with.

The European parliament IS democratically elected and DOES have the mandate of those who can be bothered to vote.

USE YOUR VOTE, people.

 

[SAC]

Did people complain when (amongst others) Yes Minister was poking fun at the Tories or The Thick of It was poking fun at Labour? UKIP supporters seem to have very thin skin.

 

[Simster]

I didn't watch it and I'm no UKIP apologist but I have to say that I am uncomfortable that ANY major broadcaster sees fit to show a programme on the premise of any given party taking control in this country in an election year. It just seems wrong to me.

 

[rippleman]

I haven't seen the C4 programme on UKIP but I have been watching the series on BBC2 about the House of Commons.

Isn't it about time that we stopped electing & paying MPs who at best behave like unruly children in a primary playground? They abuse the parliamentary process in a blindingly undemocratic way. The way the Home Secretary behaved in talking for hours (and saying nothing) just so the Tory toffs could return from dinners and dos so they could defeat the opposition on the European Arrest Warrant was scandalous.

I can fully understand why UKIP looks an attractive proposition when members of the established parties act and behave so appallingly. We elect them to represent us, but the majority are only interested in self-promotion and protecting their own interests.

And the point of PMQs is what exactly? Don't recall Cameron ever answering a question. He just shouts rubbish in his bullying Bullingdon Club way.

What we have now is rotten to the core. IF UKIP shakes up the political establishment and shocks them into behaving like our elected representatives and not spoilt brats, then I'm all for it.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

You do look a bit of a tit though if you want the UK to leave the EU because of what you perceive as unfair policies when you had the chance to influence the policies and didn't even bother to turn up!
The least anyone can expect from him is to turn up and fight tooth and nail for the UK not just give up and not bother and then complain afterwards.

Farage is there to represent ALL his electorate, EVEN the ones who arrive here illeagally, NOT solely the ones who put a cross against his name.

If he won't turn up then he isn't doing his job - simple as that. At best it's wasting taxpayers money. At worst, it's a dereliction of duty.

He is a public servant and should behave like one.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

Those voting UKIP don't want to fight for influence in the EU they want out. You don't agree with that policy which is fine but this line of argument that somehow Farage is failing to discharge his political responsibility is absurd.

Those who vote Sinn Fein don't care that their elected politicians don't fight their corner in Parliament, they don't care. The dynamic with UKIP is the same, albeit the more disruption and expenses they can get the better.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

But realistically, with devolution in N. Ireland, Sinn Fein have won their battle. The House of Commons doesn't have real juristiction in N. Ireland any more - they may make the laws, but Stormont is the executive power that makes the decisions.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Ahem, Clacton? Rochester and Strood?

The way the main political parties have treated their existing electorate is an absolute shambles and a disgrace. When Gordon Brown called that women a bigot, he was also calling millions of other Labour voters like myself the same, add to that the stupid labels people have been called over the years for simply expressing an opinion over issues such as immigration, that for me has cemented my decision never to vote for Labour again. Labour can stick One Nation where the sun doesn't shine. I will give UKIP a shot.