- Aug 24, 2020
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Agreed. Apologies for the unnecessary and gratuitous diversion.I think we’re talking late-stage, obese and gangrenous Henry VIII…
…can we agree to keep shagging out of this?
It won't happen again. I can't speak for Trump though.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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It won't happen again. I can't speak for Trump though.
Ugh, you sound exactly like my wife.…can we agree to keep shagging out of this?
- Aug 24, 2020
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It amazes me that the Ukrainian partisans/drone operators often seem to be nearby to film the results of their operations.
- Jan 25, 2025
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It’s the mental imagery of ageing, obese dictatorial shagging that I particularly object to, you understand.
Anyway, back to the matter at hand…
Now you sound like me after being rejected by my wife.
(SORRY no more derailing of this very valuable thread.)
- Jan 25, 2025
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Have you considered annexing Greenland instead?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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it sums up the speculation. the ceasefire proposed makes no reference at all to Ukraine concessions up front (read here), and is not a peace agreement. one is able to commence with no agreement on outcome other than stop the shooting. too many seem happy to roll up possible peace outcomes as pre-requisite for a ceasefire. if Russia dont accept a ceasefire we know where everyone stands: they wont accept a peace either and we cant expect Ukraine to capitulate, and Trump cant continue with any pretences.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Is there any point in continuing with this peace process?
euromaidanpress.com
WP: Leaked document reveals Kremlin's hardline Ukraine negotiation strategy - Euromaidan Press
A Moscow think tank with FSB ties details Russia’s maximalist demands for Ukraine in a February document, dismissing territorial compromise and Trump’s proposed peace timeline.
euromaidanpress.com
- Jan 25, 2025
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Quite. A ceasefire means both sides…cease firing. That’s it. It creates a little breathing room in which actual peace talks might begin.
So far, it doesn’t seem as though the Russians are interested.
Good solid post from Jim Hines.
I can't understand why the 'Trump administration were shocked at the level of international pushback and condemnation ...' in fact I'm not sure I believe that 'shock'. I thought the whole idea from the US was to 'break things' and shake Europe out of it's torpor, so I don't believe they were really shocked - maybe a little at the level.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,796
Horse facce Lavrov keeps parotting that they need to eliminate the root causes of the conflict (then throwing out the BS that its about NATO or this total fantasy about restrictions on people being able to speak Russian language or Russian speakers that never happened) When the elephant in the room is always unmentioned. It is only Russian imperialism and its delusions of empire that are the root cause.
Interesting bit of fact about the Russian jutifications based on Ukraine having NATO on their borders (even though Finland has already done just that)
Doesn't feel like it - we'll see. Trump should be up in arms at Russia's intransigence (if it plays out) ...hmmm.Is there any point in continuing with this peace process?
WP: Leaked document reveals Kremlin's hardline Ukraine negotiation strategy - Euromaidan Press
A Moscow think tank with FSB ties details Russia’s maximalist demands for Ukraine in a February document, dismissing territorial compromise and Trump’s proposed peace timeline.
Every day that Lavrov is alive is a sad day for me and many others.
That's the difference between his handling of Ukraine compared to his handling of Russia. With Ukraine he actually puts his warnings into effect. With Russia they merely remain as warnings.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Just breaking on FT. Russia says no to temporary ceasefire. Adds its demands.
Which I think is kind of good?
Pressure moved from Ukraine to Putin and now onto Trump to reveal his true colours. (FT unpaywalled at bottom)
Which I think is kind of good?
Pressure moved from Ukraine to Putin and now onto Trump to reveal his true colours. (FT unpaywalled at bottom)
- Aug 24, 2020
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So far.
But he dealt with Ukraine first. So he hardballed Ukraine, Russia loved it, and so 'Russia was easier to deal with'.
But now that Zelensky has acquiesced, and agreed to a ceasefire, the focus is now on Russia.
Thankfully, Russia has come out and shown its true colours.....
Yes I think it's kind of good...no tricky games where Russia says yes to an immediate ceasefire and then breaks it every day with false flags etc.
- Nov 11, 2009
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We'll see if this is just an opening gambit by Russia or they really rejected it.
I really hope they have rejected for now, as not only does that put Pressure on Trump to reveal his true colours (and his secretaries like Rubio who have seen a reasonable Ukraine).
It also goes a long way to justifying Zelenskyy in what was claimed as his "disrespectful" role in the oval office spat..... namely he dared to stay to Vance.... what diplomacy are you talking about, Putin cannot be trusted etc..... all while Trump was insisting Putin wanted peace, they were friends etc and attacking Zelenskyy lack of cards.
This just adds weight to everything Zelenskyy said as being true and makes Trump look even more of an idiot.
- Jan 25, 2025
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I’m going to wait to hear what Putin says to Trump and how he interprets that before getting too carried away. What aides on either side say is suggestive but not definitive.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Yes, I'm with you both. As you say, it's - kind of good - but in a not all that good way.
But it's good in that it will take time to get Russia to get to anywhere near where a ceasefire would be acceptable for Ukraine.
So that gives Russia time to lose more troops, kit and reserves, and come nearer economic collapse (if indeed it is that near).