[Politics] Stop the boats

[birthofanorange]

Are you suggesting that for a refugee landing in Greece, Italy or France it is easier to travel to the Channel and pay to cross in a boat than to claim asylum in Italy, Greece or France? That seems highly unlikely.

I'm suggesting that the Law is the Law, whatever take you have on that.

 

[Seagull58]

Most of them? How do you count invisible people?

Well, they seem to have figures for the number of people crossing (maybe a estimate) and they must have figures for the number claiming asylum. The difference between those 2 numbers is the answer.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I thought most of them were not claiming asylum on arrival but were effectively disappearing znd, therefore, here illegally. Maybe I am wrong?

Yes, you are.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'm still allowed to comment and express an opinion. Don't be so f***ing rude.
Fwiw, I have family and property in the UK and I am a UK citizen.

I put it politely. You swore at me. Hypocrite

 

[Seagull58]

I'm suggesting that the Law is the Law, whatever take you have on that.

No, you're not. What you're suggesting is "what might seem easy to you, may not be for them".

 

[Seagull58]

Yes, you are.

Please explain then.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Well, they seem to have figures for the number of people crossing (maybe a estimate) and they must have figures for the number claiming asylum. The difference between those 2 numbers is the answer.

The number of people crossing are counted because they claim asylum on arrival.

 

[BBassic]

I can't wait till the football starts

Oh

 

[Is it PotG?]

I put it politely. You swore at me. Hypocrite

 

[birthofanorange]

No, you're not. What you're suggesting is "what might seem easy to you, may not be for them".

Quite, and the Law says they are perfectly entitled to. Which part of that is an issue for you?

 

[beorhthelm]

Just the thing...a nice comfortable ferry crossing. We're supposed to be trying to deter or ideally stop them from coming here not encouage them!

the deteranet clearly dont work so needs a different approach. people are risking med crossing or overland routes through Turkey and Balkans, they are not put off by tales of long wait times, Rwanda and other parts of a hostile policy, if they even know of them at all.

 

[Seagull58]

I put it politely. You swore at me. Hypocrite

You put it rudely and incorrectly. I have a right to comment and I also have an interest. So don't tell me that it's nothing to do with me.

 

[Seagull58]

Quite, and the Law says they are perfectly entitled to. Which part of that is an issue for you?

I am still simply questioning why refugees seeking asylum ( and with an acceptable reason for doing so; fear of persecution in their home country) would spend money and risk their lives to get to the UK by passing through safe European countries.

 

[birthofanorange]

You put it incorrectly. I have a right to comment and I also have an interest. So don't tell me that it's nothing to do with me.

Does it really affect you? No, not really, so by all means share your opinion, but please don't profess an actual issue to yourself.

 

[Wokeworrier]

The process was there and now it's not. Good ol' Brexit, eh?

Call that research! The process where ( in 2018) nearly six times as many migrants came here from the EU than were removed ... Good ol Brexit eh

 

[birthofanorange]

I am still simply questioning why refugees seeking asylum ( and with an acceptable reason for doing so; fear of persecution in their home country) would spend money and risk their lives to get to the UK by passing through safe European countries.

Why did you choose Portugal, rather than France? It's nearer.
It's about choice, and the Law allows for that choice.

 

[BBassic]

I am still simply questioning why refugees seeking asylum ( and with an acceptable reason for doing so; fear of persecution in their home country) would spend money and risk their lives to get to the UK by passing through safe European countries.

Who knows? Go and ask one of them.

 

[birthofanorange]

Call that research! The process where ( in 2018) nearly six times as many migrants came here from the EU than were removed ... Good ol Brexit eh

Working better now, eh?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Call that research! The process where ( in 2018) nearly six times as many migrants came here from the EU than were removed ... Good ol Brexit eh

Article 7 of the EU allowed any country to remove EU citizens if they didn’t have health insurance, adequate income or a job within three months.
It was never implemented in Britain because our government didn’t do exit checks.
Britain chose not to be in Schengen, so passports were checked at ports & airports, by scanning, so exit checks would’ve been easy.

 

[Seagull58]

Not really your problem then, is it?

I didn't say it was my problem. I was commenting and asking questions. I have family in the UK and I am a UK citizen so your xenophobic response is unwarranted.