[Albion] Which first team players would you let go at the end of the season?

[Stat Brother]

Will there be offers.......that we cannot refuse ?

I'm sure Mr Bloom will be pleased you've decided to help out financially

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Think I read somewhere that Montoya is one of our top earners. If true, he should be shipped out and those wages used to get a quality 6 foot plus striker.

Other than Glenn, our frontline options are all shorties.

 

[Acker79]

2019/20 Released List https://www.premierleague.com/news/1697130/?sf235431457=1

Brighton & Hove Albion

Cocoracchio, Luca George
Davies, Archie
Davies, Jordan Andrew
Freestone, Lewis Jay
Kayal, Beram (Contract extension)
Keto, Hugo Oliver
Lopata, Kacper Mieczyslaw
Radulovic Samoukovic, Bojan
Schelotto, Ezequiel Matias (Contract extension)


2019/20 Retained List https://www.premierleague.com/news/1697050?sf235431457=1

Brighton & Hove Albion

Contracts
Alzate, Steven
Andone, Florin
Arce Mina, Billy Vladimir
Baluta, Tudor-Cristian
Bissouma, Yves
Burn, Daniel Johnson
Button, David Robert Edmund
Byrne Furlong, Walter James
Cashman, Danny Christopher (Extended)
Clarke, Matthew Edward Barkell
Cochrane, Alexander William
Connolly, Aaron Anthony
Cox, George Frederick (Offer)
Crofts, Andrew Lawrence
Desbois, Adam Jack (Extended)
Duffy, Shane Patrick Michael
Dunk, Lewis Carl
Fernandes da Silva Junior, Bernardo
Gross, Pascal
Gwargis, Peter
Gyokeres, Viktor Einar
Izquierdo Mena, Jose Heriberto
Jahan Bakhsh Jirandeh, Alireza
Jenks, Teddy Christopher Graham
Kazukolovas, Kipras (Extended)
Knockaert, Anthony Patrick
Lamptey, Tariq Kwame Nii-Lante
Leonard, Marc Henry
Locadia, Jurgen Leonardo
Longman, Ryan James (Extended)
Lynch Sanchez, Robert
Mac Allister, Alexis
March, Soloman Benjamin
Maupay, Neal
McGill, Thomas Peter Wayne
Mlakar, Jan
Molumby, Jayson Patrick
Montoya Torralbo, Martin
Mooy, Aaron Frank
Murray, Glenn
O'Hora, Warren Patrick (Extended)
Ostigard, Leo Skiri
Propper, David Petrus Wenceslaus
Richards, Taylor Jerome
Roberts, Haydon
Rushworth, Carl Andrew
Ryan, Matthew David
Sanders, Max Harrison (Offer)
Spong, Jack
Steele, Jason
Stephens, Dale Christopher
Tau, Percy Muzi
Tolaj, Lorent
Trossard, Leandro
Tsoungui, Antef
Walton, Christian Timothy
Webster, Adam Harry
White, Benjamin William
Wilson, Benjamin John
Yapi, Romaric (Extended)

Scholars
Bull, Toby Graham
Clark-Eden, Ben (Released)
Dackers, Marcus Matthias
Everitt, Matthew
Jenkins, Nathan Euan
Leahy, Jack
Miller, Todd Owen
Offiah, Odeluga Joshua
Packham, Samuel James (Offer)
Rees, Roco (Offer)
Talley, Fynn Michael Cordell
Tanimowo, Ayobami Babatunde (Offer)
Turns, Edward James
Vukoje, Stefan Charles (Offer)

 

[vagabond]

Is that a certain Mr. Andone i see being retained?

 

[deslynhamsmoustache1]

Think I read somewhere that Montoya is one of our top earners. If true, he should be shipped out and those wages used to get a quality 6 foot plus striker.

Other than Glenn, our frontline options are all shorties.

More important now than ever. If Lamptey is as good as the other night bombing down the wing with end product in the danger area, and if Argie Mac is as good a crosser with both feet as he suggested we need a poor mans Zlatan on the end of them.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Recently, when he starts he often plays as wing back.
When he comes on as sub it's often as an attacker.

It isn't that he is inconsistent, just that he regularly plays completely different roles.
This has probably hindered his development as an out and out attacking force, but he has massively improved as a defender.

Not sure I agree.

Solly is surely past the promising youngster stage, and how many times has he impressed from the bench, to start the next game only to disappoint?

The wing back thing has really only been this season.

To be fair on him, he does seem to get injured every time he finds a bit of form.

 

[deslynhamsmoustache1]

Potterball is all about speed.Speed in attack. Speed in transiton and Speed in defence. players like Duffy, Stephens, Gross, Kayal are just too slow with both mind and feet. The future will be players like Lamptey, faster than shit of a shovel, great vision with good feet to boot - comfortable on the ball. I would off load the 4/5 (with The greyhound going) and replace with the young guns and get that striker we all want in with the freed up wages.

 

[Gabbiano]

2019/20 Released List https://www.premierleague.com/news/1697130/?sf235431457=1

Brighton & Hove Albion

Cocoracchio, Luca George
Davies, Archie
Davies, Jordan Andrew
Freestone, Lewis Jay
Kayal, Beram (Contract extension)
Keto, Hugo Oliver
Lopata, Kacper Mieczyslaw
Radulovic Samoukovic, Bojan
Schelotto, Ezequiel Matias (Contract extension)


2019/20 Retained List https://www.premierleague.com/news/1697050?sf235431457=1

Brighton & Hove Albion

Contracts
Alzate, Steven
Andone, Florin
Arce Mina, Billy Vladimir
Baluta, Tudor-Cristian
Bissouma, Yves
Burn, Daniel Johnson
Button, David Robert Edmund
Byrne Furlong, Walter James
Cashman, Danny Christopher (Extended)
Clarke, Matthew Edward Barkell
Cochrane, Alexander William
Connolly, Aaron Anthony
Cox, George Frederick (Offer)
Crofts, Andrew Lawrence
Desbois, Adam Jack (Extended)
Duffy, Shane Patrick Michael
Dunk, Lewis Carl
Fernandes da Silva Junior, Bernardo
Gross, Pascal
Gwargis, Peter
Gyokeres, Viktor Einar
Izquierdo Mena, Jose Heriberto
Jahan Bakhsh Jirandeh, Alireza
Jenks, Teddy Christopher Graham
Kazukolovas, Kipras (Extended)
Knockaert, Anthony Patrick
Lamptey, Tariq Kwame Nii-Lante
Leonard, Marc Henry
Locadia, Jurgen Leonardo
Longman, Ryan James (Extended)
Lynch Sanchez, Robert
Mac Allister, Alexis
March, Soloman Benjamin
Maupay, Neal
McGill, Thomas Peter Wayne
Mlakar, Jan
Molumby, Jayson Patrick
Montoya Torralbo, Martin
Mooy, Aaron Frank
Murray, Glenn
O'Hora, Warren Patrick (Extended)
Ostigard, Leo Skiri
Propper, David Petrus Wenceslaus
Richards, Taylor Jerome
Roberts, Haydon
Rushworth, Carl Andrew
Ryan, Matthew David
Sanders, Max Harrison (Offer)
Spong, Jack
Steele, Jason
Stephens, Dale Christopher
Tau, Percy Muzi
Tolaj, Lorent
Trossard, Leandro
Tsoungui, Antef
Walton, Christian Timothy
Webster, Adam Harry
White, Benjamin William
Wilson, Benjamin John
Yapi, Romaric (Extended)

Scholars
Bull, Toby Graham
Clark-Eden, Ben (Released)
Dackers, Marcus Matthias
Everitt, Matthew
Jenkins, Nathan Euan
Leahy, Jack
Miller, Todd Owen
Offiah, Odeluga Joshua
Packham, Samuel James (Offer)
Rees, Roco (Offer)
Talley, Fynn Michael Cordell
Tanimowo, Ayobami Babatunde (Offer)
Turns, Edward James
Vukoje, Stefan Charles (Offer)

What’s interesting here is the “Offer” ones.

Cox presumably has been offered an extension so that we can get a fee from Sittard?

Sanders maybe is stalling on signing an extension because he sees too many people between him and the first team?

Amongst the youthers, Vukoje is particularly promising, so I hope we don’t lose him.

 

[Stat Brother]

Talking of forgotten men:-

Mlakar, Jan

 

[GT49er]

2019/20 Released List https://www.premierleague.com/news/1697130/?sf235431457=1

Brighton & Hove Albion

Cocoracchio, Luca George
Davies, Archie
Davies, Jordan Andrew
Freestone, Lewis Jay
Kayal, Beram (Contract extension)
Keto, Hugo Oliver
Lopata, Kacper Mieczyslaw
Radulovic Samoukovic, Bojan
Schelotto, Ezequiel Matias (Contract extension)


2019/20 Retained List https://www.premierleague.com/news/1697050?sf235431457=1

Brighton & Hove Albion

Contracts
Alzate, Steven
Andone, Florin
Arce Mina, Billy Vladimir
Baluta, Tudor-Cristian
Bissouma, Yves
Burn, Daniel Johnson
Button, David Robert Edmund
Byrne Furlong, Walter James
Cashman, Danny Christopher (Extended)
Clarke, Matthew Edward Barkell
Cochrane, Alexander William
Connolly, Aaron Anthony
Cox, George Frederick (Offer)
Crofts, Andrew Lawrence
Desbois, Adam Jack (Extended)
Duffy, Shane Patrick Michael
Dunk, Lewis Carl
Fernandes da Silva Junior, Bernardo
Gross, Pascal
Gwargis, Peter
Gyokeres, Viktor Einar
Izquierdo Mena, Jose Heriberto
Jahan Bakhsh Jirandeh, Alireza
Jenks, Teddy Christopher Graham
Kazukolovas, Kipras (Extended)
Knockaert, Anthony Patrick
Lamptey, Tariq Kwame Nii-Lante
Leonard, Marc Henry
Locadia, Jurgen Leonardo
Longman, Ryan James (Extended)
Lynch Sanchez, Robert
Mac Allister, Alexis
March, Soloman Benjamin
Maupay, Neal
McGill, Thomas Peter Wayne
Mlakar, Jan
Molumby, Jayson Patrick
Montoya Torralbo, Martin
Mooy, Aaron Frank
Murray, Glenn
O'Hora, Warren Patrick (Extended)
Ostigard, Leo Skiri
Propper, David Petrus Wenceslaus
Richards, Taylor Jerome
Roberts, Haydon
Rushworth, Carl Andrew
Ryan, Matthew David
Sanders, Max Harrison (Offer)
Spong, Jack
Steele, Jason
Stephens, Dale Christopher
Tau, Percy Muzi
Tolaj, Lorent
Trossard, Leandro
Tsoungui, Antef
Walton, Christian Timothy
Webster, Adam Harry
White, Benjamin William
Wilson, Benjamin John
Yapi, Romaric (Extended)

Scholars
Bull, Toby Graham
Clark-Eden, Ben (Released)
Dackers, Marcus Matthias
Everitt, Matthew
Jenkins, Nathan Euan
Leahy, Jack
Miller, Todd Owen
Offiah, Odeluga Joshua
Packham, Samuel James (Offer)
Rees, Roco (Offer)
Talley, Fynn Michael Cordell
Tanimowo, Ayobami Babatunde (Offer)
Turns, Edward James
Vukoje, Stefan Charles (Offer)

Lot of youngsters there! Sorry to see Radulovic go - thought he was promising - worth a loan to League 1 or 2, I'd have thought. Or is this the season where we're only allowed to have x number of players out on loan?

 

[Machiavelli]

So, basing on PF's list, removing anyone who is (seemingly seriously) suggested as leaving or going our on loan, were left with:

1 Mathew Ryan (G)
2 Tariq Lamptey (D)
5 Lewis Dunk (D)
15 Adam Webster (D)
30 Bernardo (D)
33 Dan Burn (D)
53 Warren O'Hora (D)
58 Hayden Roberts (D)
8 Yves Bissouma (M)
10 Alexis Mac Allister (M)
18 Aaron Mooy (M)
45 Taylor Richards (M)
50 Alex Cochrane (M)
55 Peter Gwargis (M)
60 Ryan Longman (M)
71 Jack Spong (M)
72 Teddy Jenks (M)
92 Todd Miller (M)
7 Neal Maupay (F)
46 Steven Alzate (F)
49 Romaric Yapi (F)
Ben White
Jayson Molumby
Other returning Loanies



Personally, I'm confused why so many people want to get rid of Andrew Crofts - he wasn't brought in to be a first team player, he was brought in for our under 23s (21s?).

Just to add, of those three forwards you mention, one is actually a right back, and the other a versatile midfielder.

 

[Machiavelli]

Provided we stay up there are four players that I'm intrigued by how they'll fit in to Potter's plans next year: Duffy, Bernardo, Gross, Ali J.

I think they all have something to offer but I'm not sure where they fit.

Duffy is currently third choice centre back. Assuming Ben White joins the squad next season and makes the step up as comfortably as he has the transition from U-18's to U-23's to league 2 to league 1 to the championship you've got to think Duffy will be fourth choice. I reckon Potter will be happy with him in the squad but will Duffy be happy with that? Probably not and as one of the few players who will be able to generate a decent price and our need for money post covid it seems a real possibility his time with us is nearly up. Which makes me sad - him and Dunk were/are hands down the best central defensive partnership I've seen in the 30+ years I've been watching the Albion.

Bernardo. This one really puzzles me. He's the only left back in the squad, seemingly has the attributes Potter would want in a left back but has lost, well, never even had, his place to a 6 foot 7 centre half. He's not even made the bench in the last two games - and that's with nine men benches. In his place Potter has chosen two right backs. So, what's up? If he can't get in the team over a centre half and can't even make a nine man bench, when does he make the squad? Does his face not fit? Can he not comprehend what Potter asks of him? I wouldn't get rid of him but I just don't get why he's not anywhere near playing.

Gross was outstanding as the number ten when we played 4-4-1-1 in our first season. His delivery remains immaculate but when he gets moved out of that position he strikes me as a bit of a premier league Skalak. We now have Mooy and MacAllister who can do what he does and maybe more. We have a number of players who can play as number 10, we have several wingers and a glut of central midfielders with Molumby and Baluta waiting in the wings. He's a good player but I'm not sure where he fits in anymore.

Potter seems reluctant to give Ali J game time unless there's no one else available. He seems like a really nice guy, a great professional with obvious talent but for two seasons and with two different managers with two completely different styles of play he's barely had a kick. Even when he grabbed his chance over xmas/the new year with two goals(including the goal of the season) he's found himself at the back of the queue. I don't see whats going to change in year three so for his sake we should cut our losses and let him get on with his career and not waste it in the stands of a lower end premier league team.

Great post.

 

[Acker79]

Just to add, of those three forwards you mention, one is actually a right back, and the other a versatile midfielder.

Ahem...

I don't mean to seem like I was picking on you, I was just explaining where I copied the list from - so if any players were missing I had a ready made excuse. I removed any of the players anyone on the thread suggested should be sold/loaned.

Not my fault, Guv'nor!

 

[Machiavelli]

Agree for the most part, except...

Sell Duffy and bring in one of Clarke or Ostigard. Duffy won’t want another season on the bench.
Keep Montoya. He is good backup at RB, Alzate is not really a right back.
Keep Propper. Obviously. No need then for a new CM unless we can find a significant upgrade.
Buy a striker. Murray will surely be scarcely used next season and moving more towards coaching.

Agreed, that's looking like an exciting squad.

 

[nwgull]

Is that a certain Mr. Andone i see being retained?

He’s only 2 years into a 4 year contract, isn’t he? Can’t just stop paying him.

 

[Machiavelli]

I’ve never been Propper’s biggest fan and I think probably because I’ve misunderstood him. People say he’s role is understated but I’ve always thought that doesn’t really explain the value of his game. What I’ve come to appreciate about his game, is that I think he’s excellent at shaping the way we play, I think he underpins our ability as a team to move the ball and how we move it.

I think the Leicester game was a good example. When the team were tiring in the second half, we’d started resorting to more direct passes over the top. And Leicester were definitely getting on top of us at that point. When Propper came on, his movement and support in midfield allowed the team to start moving the ball much better. Instead of direct balls, we could start holding the ball up and playing into Leicester’s half without giving away possession. All of sudden instead of giving the ball away and Leicester breaking against us (one of their strengths), we were able to keep the ball away from them and make them chase us. It definitely shifted momentum back towards us.

I think the reason we haven’t seen the best of Propper yet is because we need a better number 10. It’s all well and good moving the ball around, but as we’ve all seen, it’s no good if you haven’t got an end product. That needs to be provided though a link from midfield to attack. Which is my opinion our weakest area. Instead of spending a lot of money in the summer on a striker, I think we should spend large on getting a creative number 10.

I think I disagree with you, but this is such a well-crafted argument, you nearly got me.

 

[vagabond]

He’s only 2 years into a 4 year contract, isn’t he? Can’t just stop paying him.

Would be nice to start playing him!

Big fan of the guy.

 

[Machiavelli]

What’s interesting here is the “Offer” ones.

Cox presumably has been offered an extension so that we can get a fee from Sittard?

Sanders maybe is stalling on signing an extension because he sees too many people between him and the first team?

Amongst the youthers, Vukoje is particularly promising, so I hope we don’t lose him.

OK, I'll bite. Share us your thoughts on Vukoje, please.

 

[Machiavelli]

Ahem...



Not my fault, Guv'nor!

Oh, I know that but, after all that effort you'd put in, it seemed churlish to not make even more of it.

 

[Gabbiano]

OK, I'll bite. Share us your thoughts on Vukoje, please.

He’s a wide forward/attacking midfielder who we signed from Luton aged 16. He’s been our top scorer at U18 this season, alongside Lorent Tolaj, and looks very promising. He hasn’t had much involvement yet at U23, but hope that would change next season.