Two weeks to go - how are you voting in the EU referendum? - Leave or Remain?

[GoldWithFalmer]

Walk into the jaws of hell.
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It happens though.... first our Empire went now our Country is next if we remain.......tick tock the clock of doom is about to strike.


https://www.creditwritedowns.com/2014/02/long-decline-great-british-pound.html

 

[Bold Seagull]

Pure ideological myopic opinion delivered by someone who cannot understand that people think for themselves and exercise their right to voice it. Call people stereo-typical names if you want. Show yourself up if you must 'cause it only serves to entertain us.

Who is this 'us' whom you speak for?

 

[The Rivet]

Who is this 'us' whom you speak for?

Us, you pick out 'us'! FuK off!

 

[Bold Seagull]

Us, you pick out 'us'! FuK off!

do you need me to explain?

 

[Soulman]

Walk into the jaws of hell.

Sterling has weakened against the dollar since 2014..... before Brexit.

At the turn of the year, markets believed rates would rise this October. Now they think rates will remain on hold until the end of the decade. This has contributed to the weakening of the pound.

What does it mean for households and businesses?

For holidaymakers, it's bad news. A weaker pound means Britons will get less bang for their buck overseas.
A weaker pound also means UK businesses have to pay more for goods they buy in foreign currencies, making imports more expensive. These higher costs could fuel domestic inflation.
For exporters, the news is brighter. A weaker pound makes their goods more competitive, boosting growth. Manufacturers have complained in recent years that the strong pound has hurt trade.
Will the pound fall further?

Experts think so.

Deutsche Bank said late last year that the pound was one of the most overvalued currencies in the world. It believes sterling will drop to $1.28 against the greenback by the end of this year.

Citi believes the pound could fall to as low as $1.35 against the dollar, while Saxo Bank believes it will drop to $1.30 by the end of this year.

This ISN'T JUST BECAUSE OF BREXIT risks. Economists believe Britain's large current account deficit, which measures the difference between money flowing in and out of the UK, has left Britain vulnerable to shocks.

 

[The Rivet]

do you need me to explain?

Not at all.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Pure ideological myopic opinion delivered by someone who cannot understand that people think for themselves and exercise their right to voice it. Call people stereo-typical names if you want. Show yourself up if you must 'cause it only serves to entertain us.

I don't know what you're saying. Its plain as mud that the Express and Mail are 100% anti-EU, together with large parts of the Telegraph and Sun's columnists, the right of the Conservative party, UKIP and so on, i.e. the far right, and they've been banging on about the EU for ever, because it goes against their small government ideals. That won't change. Then when you come round to the Leavers on the left, the likes of Dennis Skinner, we meet a different kind of ideology built on similar foundations. He wants to create a socialist utopia in the UK, but doesn't believe that is possible when we're part of the EU.

What I find particularly interesting about this debate is that on the Remain side most people are happy to admit that the EU isn't perfect, there are pros and cons and a debate to be had. That's certainly true on this board. By and large on the Leave side, the prevailing opinion is that the EU is 100% bad, with nothing positive to be said about it, which, to borrow a phrase of yours, is pure ideological myopic opinion.

 

[goldstone]

Won’t you join our Common Market?’ said the spider to the fly,

‘It really is a winner and the cost is not too high’.

‘I know De Gaulle said ’’ Non’’, but he hadn't got a clue,

‘We want you in, my friends and I, as we have plans for you.



‘You’ll have to pay - a little more - than we do, just for now,

‘As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new milch cow,

‘It’s just a continental term, believe me , mon ami,

‘Like ‘’Vive la France’’ or ‘’Mad Anglais’’ or even ‘’E.E.C.’’.



‘As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few,

‘You’ll find that we ignore them - but they all apply to you.

‘Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about,

‘You do all the giving, and we all share it out.



‘It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need?

‘You've done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede.

‘So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side,

‘Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride’



ANON d'EUROPA

 

[Spicy]

Maybe we should have a "who has already voted, but now changed their minds" thread. There's enough other excuses for one.

Noooooooooooooooo! I am already fed up with the nastiness and bitterness. Maybe we should have a vote about how long will the Government run the country after the results of the EU election are known (whichever way it goes)? They have been so rude about each other I cannot imagine it will all sweetness and love when this is all over.

 

[Spicy]

Won’t you join our Common Market?’ said the spider to the fly,

‘It really is a winner and the cost is not too high’.

‘I know De Gaulle said ’’ Non’’, but he hadn't got a clue,

‘We want you in, my friends and I, as we have plans for you.



‘You’ll have to pay - a little more - than we do, just for now,

‘As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new milch cow,

‘It’s just a continental term, believe me , mon ami,

‘Like ‘’Vive la France’’ or ‘’Mad Anglais’’ or even ‘’E.E.C.’’.



‘As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few,

‘You’ll find that we ignore them - but they all apply to you.

‘Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about,

‘You do all the giving, and we all share it out.



‘It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need?

‘You've done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede.

‘So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side,

‘Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride’



ANON d'EUROPA

That sums it up perfectly.

 

[RustyKent]

The medium term could be the downside if we leave, could be the upside too (I would probably say short term though personally), either way I agree that things will certainly stabalize (and improve if they have suffered short-medium term) in the long term.

When you say not sure there is a long term if we stay, do you mean not sure if there is a long term downside? or not sure if there is a long term - period? If you mean the latter, I agree with that too.

It's so bloody obvious, we have to vote LEAVE in order to save £350M a week...... that will equate to me having to pay less tax and my employers paying me more wages and my working conditions being improved too ! don't forget everyone that the EU costs us £350 M every week, money that would obviously be paid to employees in wages and other benefits....

Why Vote Leave's £350m weekly EU cost claim is wrong

http://gu.com/p/4j6mc?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

[yxee]

Why Vote Leave's £350m weekly EU cost claim is wrong

http://gu.com/p/4j6mc?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

It is perfectly clear. We give £350m to the EU, they give us £100m back, so it is a question of semantics.

The important point is that the £350m is mandatory whereas the £100m payment is discretionary.

Leaving the EU means none of the £350m is mandatory.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Remain talk about us being good neighbours, so why haven't the EU returned the favour and offered us some proper concessions over the years. We are just their cash cow, we are one of the highest contributors to the EU, but get one of the worst deals of the lot, and to top this off we have lost complete control of our own borders. I don't need to tell which country gets one of the best deals? Poland.

Seriously who would join such a project if it was offered to you today? nobody, so why the hell would anyone want to remain in it now. It is absolutely crazy. Vote Leave

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Give us half your wages each week, We will give you some money back but we will tell you how to spend it.

We will also be opening up your back garden so people can pitch their tents, sorry but this part is non negotiable. If your back garden gets too busy your going to have to live with it.

You will never be able to Leave us, and by the way as from next year we are going to have to take a little bit more from you, we need a bigger building for our administration.

 

[RustyKent]

The medium term could be the downside if we leave, could be the upside too (I would probably say short term though personally), either way I agree that things will certainly stabalize (and improve if they have suffered short-medium term) in the long term.

When you say not sure there is a long term if we stay, do you mean not sure if there is a long term downside? or not sure if there is a long term - period? If you mean the latter, I agree with that too.

It is perfectly clear. We give £350m to the EU, they give us £100m back, so it is a question of semantics.

The important point is that the £350m is mandatory whereas the £100m payment is discretionary.

Leaving the EU means none of the £350m is mandatory.

£350 million a week doesn’t include the rebate but uses better figures

It’s also been claimed that we send £350 million a week to the EU. That also misses out the rebate, although is based on better figures for the UK’s contributions.

£350 million is what we would pay to the EU budget, without the rebate.

But the UK actually pays just under £250 million a week.

The UK Statistics Authority has said the EU membership fee figure of £19 billion a year, or £350 million a week, is "not an amount of money that the UK pays to the EU each year".

 

[yxee]

£350 million a week doesn’t include the rebate but uses better figures

It’s also been claimed that we send £350 million a week to the EU. That also misses out the rebate, although is based on better figures for the UK’s contributions.

£350 million is what we would pay to the EU budget, without the rebate.

But the UK actually pays just under £250 million a week.

The UK Statistics Authority has said the EU membership fee figure of £19 billion a year, or £350 million a week, is "not an amount of money that the UK pays to the EU each year".

You basically said what I said, except missing out the key point and using more words.

 

[RustyKent]

The medium term could be the downside if we leave, could be the upside too (I would probably say short term though personally), either way I agree that things will certainly stabalize (and improve if they have suffered short-medium term) in the long term.

When you say not sure there is a long term if we stay, do you mean not sure if there is a long term downside? or not sure if there is a long term - period? If you mean the latter, I agree with that too.

You basically said what I said, except missing out the key point and using more words.

I think the key point is that the & £350m a week figure is a fabrication by the Leave campaign.

 

[Peter Grummit]

My point is that these young people were free to live, work and move around the EU and have the experience of working alongside people from other countries and backgrounds. They clearly loved what they were doing and I was very happy that my kids know that Polish, Czech and Spanish people are not so very different from us - I think an 'island mentality' is generally a bad thing for a kid, I want mine to be outward looking.

As for Romanians, my employee is an economics degree graduate from Bucharest for whom opportunities in Romania were few and far between. She has lived here for 15 years or so but still retains a place in Romania with her husband.

The EU has helped created opportunities and opened doors. It would be naïve to expect the EU to absorb most of Eastern Europe in a couple of decades and still function perfectly, and I fully expect people pressure on issues like the Euro and immigration to push EU leaders into taking a more pragmatic / less dogmatic approach in the future.

I agree.

The reality, despite what the Mail and Murdoch say, is that the vast majority of immigrants to the UK are economically and culturally valuable. The same cannot be said of the large numbers of immigrants FROM the UK who, if forced to return, will put additional strain on public services, particularly the NHS.

PG



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[heathgate]

I suppose handing subsidies to wealthy EU farmers whilst imposing tariffs on farmers in developing countries is giving everyone a fair chance?

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[Soulman]

£350 million a week doesn’t include the rebate but uses better figures

It’s also been claimed that we send £350 million a week to the EU. That also misses out the rebate, although is based on better figures for the UK’s contributions.

£350 million is what we would pay to the EU budget, without the rebate.

But the UK actually pays just under £250 million a week.

The UK Statistics Authority has said the EU membership fee figure of £19 billion a year, or £350 million a week, is "not an amount of money that the UK pays to the EU each year".

If you watched the debate programmes and QT this week these figures have already been established, ie £350m GROSS.