[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Bodian]

Referring back to the "Nor is there any evidence in the report that" point, I find it compelling that he did not say "I did not....". He knew he was rule breaking, he didn't care and lying about it is normal for him. Fukk him and the poor horse he rode in on.

The report isn't a report of evidence anyway. It is setting out what they want to ask Johnson. That will be his evidence, which they will then take into account alongside everything else. Then they will publish their actual report.

 

[Hugo Rune]

I may be wrong, but I do feel that the oven has been turned on and that Johnson’s goose will be properly cooked before too long.

He should have kept a dignified silence over Sunak’s refried May-Backstop deal.

But he could just not help himself. In his pig brain, criticism of the PM (by proxy) is the start of his 2025 leadership campaign. His hero Churchill got the keys to No.10 back 6 years after being dumped the first time and he genuinely believes he can do the same.

If Sunak has any (big) balls, he’ll do what Starmer has done to Corbyn. Squash him. Get the pig deselected. But Sunak won’t because he built his house atop of Johnson’s pigsty. The Tory party would be split for good if he knifed Boris. He now has to literally watch, helplessly, as the pig re-climbs the greasy pole with the intention to decapitate Sunak and his leadership.

Johnson still has the Mail, Express and Sun firmly behind him, Sunak better watch himself.

 

[clapham_gull]

Not only a Tory meltdown, but a neo liberal meltdown involving the chancers and self servers who feed off and have manipulated the destruction of conservatism in this country.

If you haven't followed the back story (because that's the real story) the "journalist" who sold Hancock down the river has really really pissed off their colleagues and paymaster (New International) by flogging the story to a rival newspaper.



Enjoy !!!

I find it fascinating that somebody as experienced as her would make (what I believe to be) a strategic professional blunder such as this.

 

[A1X]

Not only a Tory meltdown, but a neo liberal meltdown involving the chancers and self servers who feed off and have manipulated the destruction of conservatism in this country.

If you haven't followed the back story (because that's the real story) the "journalist" who sold Hancock down the river has really really pissed off their colleagues and paymaster (New International) by flogging the story to a rival newspaper.



Enjoy !!!

The revolution will always eat itself in the end

 

[clapham_gull]

Different edit



To put this into context, this is work colleague to work colleague.

 

[A1X]

 

[nicko31]

Different edit



To put this into context, this is work colleague to work colleague.

Rupert will be effing furious

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Non-essential shops in England were forced to shut on Nov 5, five days after the conversation and despite Mr Sunak’s protestations.

With the vaccine programme starting to roll out in December 2020, Mr Sunak raised the possibility of coming out of restrictions – known as non-pharmaceutical interventions – by February after he had been informed of the “emerging thinking” from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), the body that informed ministers.

Mr Hancock urged caution, telling the Chancellor: “Not in Feb – I said we have to hold firm in Jan and feb. And this is NOT a SAGE call – it’s a political call.”

Non-essential retail premises were only allowed to reopen on April 21, 2021.


Unless I'm reading this wrong, to me it reads we had 2 months of lockdown due to political choice.

 

[beorhthelm]

so now we're suggesting there was suppression of cases, which means a conspiracy involving hundreds of NHS trusts collecting and sharing their data. there's commentators with axes to grind reading too much into messages, a lot of after timing ignoring data and minutes of SAGE and others at the time.

 

[drew]

Not read the whole thread but who approached who to write this book? Either way, Oakeshot would have seen the opportunity straight away. Let's not forget anything she can do to undermine the Tories could drive voters to the Reform Party whose leader is Richard Tice, Oakeshot's partner!!!

 

[nicko31]

Not read the whole thread but who approached who to write this book? Either way, Oakeshot would have seen the opportunity straight away. Let's not forget anything she can do to undermine the Tories could drive voters to the Reform Party whose leader is Richard Tice, Oakeshot's partner!!

The Faragesque menace is not over for the Tories

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Mad to think people believed anything this **** said, all about his ego.



Matt Hancock shared a memo from a "wise friend" about how his career could be propelled "into the next league" by the Covid pandemic in January 2020, shortly after the first cases of the virus emerged in China.

The message is among a number that can be disclosed by the Telegraph as part of the Lockdown Files where the then health secretary discusses his image and ambitions.

At one point, he remarks "f--- that’s good" to an adviser in response to a poll showing the popularity of Cabinet ministers.

At the very start of the pandemic on Jan 29, 2020, when Covid cases in Britain were in single figures, the then health secretary passed his aide a message setting out how he could use “a crisis of this scale to propel [himself] into the next league”.

The British Government had just started to respond to the situation in Wuhan, where a new virus was posing a global threat.

An evacuation flight from China touched down at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, and the nation watched as 87 Britons and 27 foreign nationals on board were taken under police escort to quarantine facilities in the Wirral.

Two Chinese nationals in York became the first people in Britain to test positive for Covid.

At this moment, Mr Hancock messaged his media special adviser, Jamie Njoku-Goodwin:

It is not the only text conversation involving Mr Hancock during the pandemic which mentions his career.
He accepted advice from George Osborne, the former chancellor, and strategised with Lord Bethell of Romford – a close friend who would frequently coach him through Zoom calls in real time.
Messages obtained by the Telegraph suggest that the former health secretary was mindful of his appearance in general. When a press report criticised his behaviour during lockdown, he responded: “I think I look great!” After he embarked on his affair with his adviser Gina Coladangelo, he also turned to her to decide whether to release pictures of him surfing.


He also appears to have been concerned with his social media output. Throughout the pandemic, he exchanged more than 22,000 messages with staff, editing or approving social media posts. “I want people to think I’m working so hard I’m crazy”, he told one of his advisers.

On April 17 and April 18, as Helen Whately, his social care minister, was struggling to pin him down for conversations about PPE supplied to care homes, he sent her a total of five WhatsApp messages in their one-to-one chat - but 72 to the team in charge of sending out his tweets.

On Dec 29 2020, at the height of the second wave, half of Britain had just spent Christmas in confinement, and the number of daily Covid infections had just surpassed 50,000.

Emma Dean, the health secretary’s special adviser, sent him a link to a YouGov poll. It is not clear what the poll showed:

Sadly this won’t come as a surprise to the majority who know what a spineless self centred incompetent **** the man is. If anything Hancock now on manoeuvres to refute the claims just validates this more

 

[WATFORD zero]

If you believe the Government are going into meltdown now, wait until the Covid enquiry gets onto the PPE Fast track program

 

[WATFORD zero]

so now we're suggesting there was suppression of cases, which means a conspiracy involving hundreds of NHS trusts collecting and sharing their data. there's commentators with axes to grind reading too much into messages, a lot of after timing ignoring data and minutes of SAGE and others at the time.

The Government had complete control of the definition of timescales and how all that data was to be summarised and reported (which they then changed a number of times throughout the pandemic). Why on earth would they need a conspiracy involving hundreds of NHS trusts suppressing the reporting of cases

 

[happypig]

And yet there remains a vast amount of people that still believe the narrative of Johnson and his cabinet saving Britain.

This, combined with the recent up-selling of Sunak’s NI agreement that has now somehow been packaged as “delivering Brexit” means a nailed-on Labour landslide is not as nailed-on as people think. In my opinion.

There were people lauding Harold Shipman, "Yeah, I know all about them pensioners but he sorted out my husband's piles".

 

[Hugo Rune]

If you believe the Government are going into meltdown now, wait until the Covid enquiry gets onto the PPE Fast track program

If I were Mr Sunak, I’d be doing my best to pin it all on Mr Johnson and Mr Hancock. I’d be splurging about the furlough scheme and the eat out to help out programme but I’d remove the whip from Johnson asap with the hope he has to go to a by-election after the committee has damned him for lying to Parliament.

Sir Keir knows this and is trying to link Sunak to everything the pandemic government got wrong (and there is a very long list). But, we’ve seen this week that a lot of Tory voters just don’t have the wit or intelligence to scrutinise what they are being told. The fella who on 5Live who declared that Sue Gray’s investigation of Starmer’s beergate incident was now flawed is a perfect example.

Time for Sunak to take a sharpened knife into the pigsty. He needs to roll around in that pit wrestling the greased piglet and eventually cutting it’s throat whilst it squeals ‘but I got Brexit done’ before he too is covered unrecognisably with the excrement from that lying, self interested, disgusting pig.

 

[WATFORD zero]

If I were Mr Sunak, I’d be doing my best to pin it all on Mr Johnson and Mr Hancock. I’d be splurging about the furlough scheme and the eat out to help out programme but I’d remove the whip from Johnson asap with the hope he has to go to a by-election after the committee has damned him for lying to Parliament.

Sir Keir knows this and is trying to link Sunak to everything the pandemic government got wrong (and there is a very long list). But, we’ve seen this week that a lot of Tory voters just don’t have the wit or intelligence to scrutinise what they are being told. The fella who on 5Live who declared that Sue Gray’s investigation of Starmer’s beergate incident was now flawed is a perfect example.

Time for Sunak to take a sharpened knife into the pigsty. He needs to roll around in that pit wrestling the greased piglet and eventually cutting it’s throat whilst it squeals ‘but I got Brexit done’ before he too is covered unrecognisably with the excrement from that lying, self interested, disgusting pig.

I agree with all you say, but he is completely dependant on some people having the IQ of a pea combined with the memory span of a goldfish and forgetting that he was actually second in command to Johnson throughout this total clusterf*** ................ oh

 

[Machiavelli]

Not only a Tory meltdown, but a neo liberal meltdown involving the chancers and self servers who feed off and have manipulated the destruction of conservatism in this country.

If you haven't followed the back story (because that's the real story) the "journalist" who sold Hancock down the river has really really pissed off their colleagues and paymaster (New International) by flogging the story to a rival newspaper.



Enjoy !!!

I find it fascinating that somebody as experienced as her would make (what I believe to be) a strategic professional blunder such as this.

They're not very good at answering questions that entire lot. They've been able to get away without answering questions for, ooo, about a decade now. Johnson is now being forced to answer a series of questions and, quelle surprise, he's obfuscated. Oakeshott's gone off in a hissy fit in that interview. Delightfully, Nick Robinson cut off some Johnson stooge Tory MP who was the only one that dared to defend him. This lot need to be pressed on the question and, if they don't answer it, they should be cut off (or they can do what Oakeshott did there, and cut themselves off).
They've been getting away with it for so long. The media have been utterly dreadful at standing up to them and, due to this, the media have been complicit in what we've been subjected to for at least a decade. Thankfully, there are a few tentative signs that they're developing a backbone.

 

[Nobby]

so now we're suggesting there was suppression of cases, which means a conspiracy involving hundreds of NHS trusts collecting and sharing their data. there's commentators with axes to grind reading too much into messages, a lot of after timing ignoring data and minutes of SAGE and others at the time.

The suppression of cases would have been by the Government, not by the people who supply the data to the Government.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]