To Those Peple Who Wanted McGhee Sacked...

[Dave the OAP]

What is? Are you watching a video? Happy birthday, btw!

 

[Les Biehn]

quote:
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Originally posted by London Irish
We are not playing one up front, the system is 4-3-3, sometimes switched to 4-4-2.
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Dumbo again! - this a reference to the general system we had been playing in our first 5 games of the season, I was not specifically referring to the Bristol game!

Funnily enough though, I have since that thread watched the Bristol game on tape and, surprise surprise, Loft and Frutos were playing well in adavance of the midfield 3. The Bristol commentator on the tape even said we were playing 4-3-3!

*Sound of a man clutching at straws*

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Is this the place for the 15-minute argurment - or the full half-hour ?

 

[London Irish]

*Sound of a man clutching at straws*

Well, you know the sound well. I tell you I don't make definitive comments on the game unless I watch them - you make a song and dance about that - and then as proof you link straight to a post of me telling you I can't make any definitive comment on the game until watching the tape.

Genius

 

[Silent Bob]

Leon Knight did more for this club than McGhee ever did.

FACT.

 

[Les Biehn]

Well, you know the sound well. I tell you I don't make definitive comments on the game unless I watch them - you make a song and dance about that - and then as proof you link straight to a post of me telling you I can't make any definitive comment on the game until watching the tape.

Genius

I never said you said anything definitive, you said people who were there were wrong about what they saw.

 

[Meade's Ball]

Is this the place for the 15-minute argurment - or the full half-hour ?

I want to watch the wrestlers rodeo. Randy Savage V The Animal.

 

[London Irish]

Yep, posting smilies I guess is a lot safer than thread links that totally undermine your own argument!

 

[Les Biehn]

Yep, posting smilies I guess is a lot safer than thread links that totally undermine your own argument!

*sound of more straw clutching*

 

[Man of Harveys]

Leon Knight did more for this club than McGhee ever did.

FACT.

I'm resolutely refusing to get dragged into these playground squabbles that are everywhere on here like some Fisher-Price "Battle of the Somme for toddlers" at the moment, but that's one of the more desperate attempts to provoke or prolong a spat that I've read on here recently. Nice.

 

[Les Biehn]

I'm resolutely refusing to get dragged into these playground squabbles that are everywhere on here like some Fisher-Price "Battle of the Somme for toddlers" at the moment, but that's one of the more desperate attempts to provoke or prolong a spat that I've read on here recently. Nice.

He has got a point though.

*ducks*

 

[Man of Harveys]

He has got a point though.

*ducks*

Listen sonny, it won't work.

 

[London Irish]

It made me laugh to be honest! He even put in an avatar to match

 

[Silent Bob]

I'm resolutely refusing to get dragged into these playground squabbles that are everywhere on here like some Fisher-Price "Battle of the Somme for toddlers" at the moment, but that's one of the more desperate attempts to provoke or prolong a spat that I've read on here recently. Nice.

I mean it. Think about it - his goals took us to the playoffs, money from the playoff final, and promotion. He played a key role in keeping us up. He scored twice against Palace, a game we would've won if not for McGhee's tactical oafery, and they we made meony in getting rid of him, whereas McGhee cost us money.

 

[London Irish]

He played a key role in keeping us up

 

[Icy Gull]

Well I wouldn't say I'm having a personal 'gloat' about anything, I really don't think I have taken any stance unwarranted by the discussion you have given - but let's not forget an intrinsic fact to all this, we share a common desire for any and all managers to SUCCEED at Brighton, not want them to fail so we can gloat!
I was sitting behind MM willing him to enact changes when things were going badly, and when far away from games I was doing the same in the chatroom.
I did NOT join in the singing "you don't know what you're doing" and didn't shout for his head when we were losing games. However, from witnessing the unavoidably-obvious lack of desire and passion, and lack of ability to instill it in the team - I could only surmise that MM possessed not enough passion for the team, his own work, and the reflection on him as a professional. From that, I cannot salute him on his way out the door. I also think he dulled the passion in others, lost respect and seeded spite in some of them with his tactics and deployments of players.

I wondered, watching performances on the pitch, about his training, his tactics, his team-talks, his substitutions, his attachment to the club, his contacts, his relationships with fellow professionals/ the respect from players, if he was watching the same game as us, and last but not least; his desire for success.

I don't really think it matched mine, .....or yours for that matter Icy.

Fair enough

 

[Silent Bob]

Ask yourself. where would we have finished if he hadn't scored the winners against Gillingham, Watford, Sheffield United, and got us a point against Cardiff. He didn't score many but he scored important goals, and it mattered as we stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Everyone was pulling in the same direction that season, that is what kept us up.

 

[Trufflehound]

Can't be bothered reading all this. Can someone summarise please?

The gist as I understand it is that the Barron Knights did more for the club than Debbie McGhee ever did. Is that right?

 

[London Irish]

Ask yourself. where would we have finished if he hadn't scored the winners against Gillingham, Watford, Sheffield United, and got us a point against Cardiff. He didn't score many but he scored important goals, and it mattered as we stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Everyone was pulling in the same direction that season, that is what kept us up.

Absolutely - you can NEVER take those 4 goals away from Leon


Games played by Leon Knight in 2004/2005 and Goals
21-08-2004 Football League Championship Wigan 3-0 Brighton 0
24-08-2004 English League Cup Brighton 1-2 Bristol R 0
28-08-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 1-0 Preston 0
30-08-2004 Football League Championship Leicester 0-1 Brighton 0
11-09-2004 Football League Championship Watford 1-1 Brighton 0
14-09-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 0-1 Wolves 0
18-09-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 2-3 QPR 0
25-09-2004 Football League Championship Gillingham 0-1 Brighton 1
29-09-2004 Football League Championship Nottm Forest 0-1 Brighton 0
02-10-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 1-1 Sheff Utd 0
16-10-2004 Football League Championship Crewe 3-1 Brighton 0
19-10-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 1-1 Cardiff 1
23-10-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 1-0 Leeds 0
30-10-2004 Football League Championship Sunderland 2-0 Brighton 0
03-11-2004 Football League Championship Derby 3-0 Brighton 0
06-11-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 1-3 Crewe 0
20-11-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 0-1 Burnley 0
27-11-2004 Football League Championship Ipswich 1-0 Brighton 0
04-12-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 1-0 Rotherham 0
11-12-2004 Football League Championship Millwall 2-0 Brighton 0
17-12-2004 Football League Championship Brighton 0-1 Stoke 0
28-12-2004 Football League Championship Wolves 1-1 Brighton 0
01-01-2005 Football League Championship QPR 0-0 Brighton 0
03-01-2005 Football League Championship Brighton 2-1 Watford 1
08-01-2005 English FA Cup Tottenham 2-1 Brighton 0
15-01-2005 Football League Championship Sheff Utd 1-2 Brighton 1
22-01-2005 Football League Championship Brighton 0-0 Nottm Forest 0
29-01-2005 Football League Championship Leeds 1-1 Brighton 0
05-02-2005 Football League Championship Brighton 2-3 Derby 0
12-02-2005 Football League Championship Cardiff 2-0 Brighton 0
19-02-2005 Football League Championship Brighton 2-1 Sunderland 0
26-02-2005 Football League Championship Brighton 1-0 Millwall 0
05-03-2005 Football League Championship Stoke 2-0 Brighton 0
12-03-2005 Football League Championship Plymouth 5-1 Brighton 0
15-03-2005 Football League Championship Brighton 2-4 Wigan 0
21-03-2005 Football League Championship Brighton 0-1 Reading 0
02-04-2005 Football League Championship Coventry 2-1 Brighton 0
05-04-2005 Football League Championship Preston 3-0 Brighton 0
23-04-2005 Football League Championship Brighton 2-2 West Ham 0
30-04-2005 Football League Championship Rotherham 0-1 Brighton 0
08-05-2005 Football League Championship Brighton 1-1 Ipswich 0

 

[Silent Bob]

Absolutely - you can NEVER take those 4 goals away from Leon

Here is how the table would've looked if you could, however:

Pos Name P W D L F A W D L F A GD PTS
1 Sunderland 46 16 4 3 45 21 13 3 7 31 20 +35 94
2 Wigan Athletic 46 13 5 5 42 15 12 7 4 37 20 +44 87
3 Ipswich Town 46 17 3 3 53 26 7 10 6 32 30 +29 85
4 Derby County 46 10 7 6 38 30 12 3 8 33 30 +11 76
5 Preston 46 14 7 2 44 22 7 5 11 23 36 +9 75
6 West Ham 46 12 5 6 36 24 9 5 9 30 32 +10 73
7 Reading 46 13 7 3 33 15 6 6 11 18 29 +7 70
8 Sheffield Utd 46 9 7 7 28 23 9 6 8 29 33 +2 68
9 Wolves 46 9 11 3 40 26 6 10 7 32 33 +13 66
10 Millwall 46 12 5 6 33 22 6 7 10 18 23 +6 66
11 QPR 46 10 7 6 32 26 7 4 12 22 32 -4 62
12 Stoke City 46 11 2 10 22 18 6 8 9 14 20 -2 61
13 Burnley 46 10 7 6 26 19 5 8 10 12 20 -1 60
14 Leeds United 46 7 10 6 28 26 7 8 8 21 26 -3 60
15 Leicester City 46 8 8 7 24 20 4 13 6 25 26 +3 57
16 Cardiff City 46 10 4 9 24 19 3 11 9 24 32 -3 55
17 Watford 46 5 10 8 25 25 7 6 10 27 34 -7 53
18 Plymouth 46 9 8 6 31 23 5 3 15 21 41 -12 53
19 Coventry City 46 8 7 8 32 28 5 6 12 29 45 -12 52
20 Crewe 46 6 8 9 37 38 6 6 11 29 48 -20 50
21 Gillingham 46 10 6 7 22 23 2 8 13 23 43 -21 51
22 Brighton 46 7 7 9 24 29 6 5 12 16 36 -26 44
23 Nottm Forest 46 7 10 6 26 28 2 7 14 16 38 -24 44
24 Rotherham 46 2 7 14 17 34 3 7 13 18 35 -34 29