This is really quite sad...

[Rugrat]

According to the unemployment figures published today

29,892 people out of work in Sussex 3.1% of the working population

Well that's 29,893 at the very least then, thankfully I haven't got to the point of having to make myself a statistic ... in fact I think you could add '000's to that number.

 

[NickBHAFC18]

I have worked for 25 years in the most senior positions, making well into 6 figures. I lost my job a year ago and haven't been able to find anything since other than a short term Interim assignment .. have tried everything but approach people on street! I'm not that driven by money any more and have applied for jobs paying less than half I was earning before but when a recruiter does talk to me (which is very very rare) they simply don't want to get it and won't support my application. Seems like damned if I do, damned if I don't

I completely know what you mean, and I can also see where the recruiter's are coming from.

From a recruiters point of view, they are looking for candidates that are going to be best suited for the roles and are going to make them commission. Someone like yourself, who would be more than capable of doing such a role will be overlooked over the person who is currently doing a similar role or is working their way towards it, just due to the fact that you'll have too much experience under your belt, which employers find "intimidating" or they feel that you might get very bored within the position as they know you can do it without really challenging yourself. It is a real bitch to be honest, and the whole job market overall is f***ed.

 

[essbee]

I know employers who have jobs but can't fill them - - they are desperate - and the simple reason is that they require coding skills
which people do not seem to have to the standard they are looking for.

Simple as

 

[Digweeds Trousers]

Most. Either in application or interview. Salary expectations have been discussed. Cut the bullshit here, most people work for money not love. If you cant throw up or ask for a ball park figure you deserve to be stuffed. Its incompetence.

Salary discussions do not happen with graduates. It is a package that is standardised across the business. It is totally different to hiring a sales rep from SAP or Oracle who has been selling ERp / BI or Performance Management software for 15-20 years. Then salary discussion and negotiation are pretty much the basis of the interview.

in this case graduates are told the package and that there is no room for negotiation - its a definitive offer and standard across our company.

These 5 numpties decided to try and ignore that clear direction and suggested that the base salary should be hiked. At that point we ended the conversation. Again - not sure why you are being quite so blunt and provocative here.

 

[METALMICKY]

I work in recruitment, and I speak to a lot of unemployed people and it is sad sometimes,

I speak to guys that at one point in their career, they were the shit. They were earning megabucks in managerial roles, and within a 2 year period they cant find work and are applying for jobs that they were doing 10-15 years ago on less than a quarter of their previous salary...

No need to tell me this as currently going through it. 47 years years old and made redundant after 28 years in same NHS business. In comes a private sector contractor and made redundant in Oct. Took a break and really only kicked in the full time job hunt in December to discover how shit it is out there. Just getting an interview is difficult even when you've been told you have a quite strong CV. Having to apply for jobs paying half my old salary and that in fact presents its own problems. Many firms just cant reconcile why you are applying for a job with far less money and incorrectly assume that its a 'stop gap' to just fill in before you bugger off to a job paying your old wage.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Salary discussions do not happen with graduates. It is a package that is standardised across the business. It is totally different to hiring a sales rep from SAP or Oracle who has been selling ERp / BI or Performance Management software for 15-20 years. Then salary discussion and negotiation are pretty much the basis of the interview.

in this case graduates are told the package and that there is no room for negotiation - its a definitive offer and standard across our company.

These 5 numpties decided to try and ignore that clear direction and suggested that the base salary should be hiked. At that point we ended the conversation. .

Fair enough then. Remember their names, so you can tell them to do one, when they come crawling back next year, ready to accept the £25k.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I'm an IT Contractor and have been 'resting' for nearly six months now. IMHO the jobs market is as bad as it was after the crash of 2008.

 

[looney]

Salary discussions do not happen with graduates. It is a package that is standardised across the business. It is totally different to hiring a sales rep from SAP or Oracle who has been selling ERp / BI or Performance Management software for 15-20 years. Then salary discussion and negotiation are pretty much the basis of the interview.

in this case graduates are told the package and that there is no room for negotiation - its a definitive offer and standard across our company.

These 5 numpties decided to try and ignore that clear direction and suggested that the base salary should be hiked. At that point we ended the conversation. Again - not sure why you are being quite so blunt and provocative here.

Blunt maybe but not meaning to Provoke. Taking on board what you say how did you manage to wittle it down to 5 people who have, poor attention to detail, total ignorance of pay levels and an open willingness to dis-regard company policy?

If that was my outcome I would be looking at how recruitment was being conducted.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I'm an IT Contractor and have been 'resting' for nearly six months now. IMHO the jobs market is as bad as it was after the crash of 2008.

Really, where ? I'm in the city and get calls almost every day from agents with positions to fill if I'm interested. In jan '09 I was made redundant and didn't work for 14 months, I could find nothing back then.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I know employers who have jobs but can't fill them - - they are desperate - and the simple reason is that they require coding skills
which people do not seem to have to the standard they are looking for.

Simple as

If they are so desperate then why don't they provide training for the right applicants to get up to that standard.

 

[Arthur]

Not wanting to sound like Harry Redknapp but I don't and wouldn't discuss the package on offer with candidates other than what was advertised.

If they are offered the job then it's up to HR/agency to sort it out.

£25k for a sales role for a grad is an awesome starting salary. Think our guys start at £18k + their comms.

 

[looney]

I completely know what you mean, and I can also see where the recruiter's are coming from.

From a recruiters point of view, they are looking for candidates that are going to be best suited for the roles and are going to make them commission. Someone like yourself, who would be more than capable of doing such a role will be overlooked over the person who is currently doing a similar role or is working their way towards it, just due to the fact that you'll have too much experience under your belt, which employers find "intimidating" or they feel that you might get very bored within the position as they know you can do it without really challenging yourself. It is a real bitch to be honest, and the whole job market overall is f***ed.

I would say recruitment companies are part of the problem, baring highly specialist jobs the recruitment fee creates to much risk aversion and creates barriers to employment.

 

[Simster]

Really, where ? I'm in the city and get calls almost every day from agents with positions to fill if I'm interested. In jan '09 I was made redundant and didn't work for 14 months, I could find nothing back then.

I get a few calls too, but often they are for the same highly specific position. And you'll find there is a massive rush to get your CV to a client, and then you sit on your hands for three weeks hearing nothing from the agent.

 

[NickBHAFC18]

No need to tell me this as currently going through it. 47 years years old and made redundant after 28 years in same NHS business. In comes a private sector contractor and made redundant in Oct. Took a break and really only kicked in the full time job hunt in December to discover how shit it is out there. Just getting an interview is difficult even when you've been told you have a quite strong CV. Having to apply for jobs paying half my old salary and that in fact presents its own problems. Many firms just cant reconcile why you are applying for a job with far less money and incorrectly assume that its a 'stop gap' to just fill in before you bugger off to a job paying your old wage.

Exactly, it'a shit. And Employers just are not prepared to take the risks, especially if they are working with an agency, as they are risking paying a hefty agency fee for nothing.

I'm an IT Contractor and have been 'resting' for nearly six months now. IMHO the jobs market is as bad as it was after the crash of 2008.

Tom, I've PM'd you.

 

[SK1NT]

Was only a few weeks ago a guy came on here politely enquiring about jobs. I cannot believe he even got some abuse by some. Comments like go to online searches, job centers etc.. and i think he already did all that...

I do feel sorry for recent graduates...

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I get a few calls too, but often they are for the same highly specific position. And you'll find there is a massive rush to get your CV to a client, and then you sit on your hands for three weeks hearing nothing from the agent.

Quite possiibly, I'm just saying for IT in the city, it feels rather better than it was 3 years ago.

Of course, when they do get back to you, you have to do one of those interminable, useless online BrainBench tests.

 

[Digweeds Trousers]

Blunt maybe but not meaning to Provoke. Taking on board what you say how did you manage to wittle it down to 5 people who have, poor attention to detail, total ignorance of pay levels and an open willingness to dis-regard company policy?

If that was my outcome I would be looking at how recruitment was being conducted.

Fair enough - the point you make is a fair one and the same questions was asked by my SVP. Adn frankly there is not really a definitive answer other than what were the graduate recruitment company doing? And the answer to that is not accpetable but pretty clear. We dont want to take on the level of resourcing, saerching, phone interviews and therefore on the basis that despite this years disaster they have placed several decent cadidates and this lot may have been the best of a poor bunch.

If you know anyone who fits the bill PM me. I cannot fill these spaces and need to asap. I amc arrying budget for this quarter and into next financial year so am suffering mysefl

 

[NickBHAFC18]

I would say recruitment companies are part of the problem, baring highly specialist jobs the recruitment fee creates to much risk aversion and creates barriers to employment.

Yup its true, and that is probably the main reason.

I speak to people every day that I could quite easily sit in a pub and have a pint with and I want to find these people jobs and help them out. But if I put a CV forward to a client, and for example that person has not been in work for a year or so, my boss would go f***ing mental at me.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Really, where ? I'm in the city and get calls almost every day from agents with positions to fill if I'm interested. In jan '09 I was made redundant and didn't work for 14 months, I could find nothing back then.

You can tell its bad from the job specs on the job sites. For any given role, the list of absolutely specific skills you need is as long as your arm. That only happens when theres far more jobseekers than jobs and they want to drastically whittle down the number of applicants. When there's far more jobs than jobseekers the list of skills required becomes far more vague. Can't blame 'em I suppose and nobody owes contractors a living in the first place. Personally I'm giving it til Easter then buggering off to Oz for a month.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

Not sure your point here? Go on-line and find out. Most sales jobs in software / technology are in this ball park for grads. Sorry - do you mean you don;t know anyone personally earning that or are you suggesting that no-one is earning that?

fair enough, i know nothing about that industry, but my point was that your applicants may have unrealistic expectations (which you seem to agree with).......

i clearly wasn't suggesting that no-one is earning that....