The Large One
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It's the needs of the child which is paramount.
Not the needs of the mother's religious beliefs.
Not the needs of the mother's religious beliefs.
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doesn't read to me that the child has been put up for adoption, nor that the mother has had her parental rights terminated. just that she is unwell and currently unable to care for him and he needs to live elsewhere for now - hence the fostering.
In fairness to the council, they are actin in response to lawyers. Suggesting the mother's homophobic/protective of their son's religion wishes were being ignored at first.
This isn't a case of the council acting of their own accord, or changing their own policies.
I think the bigger issue is that of the child's religion. I didn't see the age of the kid, how much he is aware of religion and how strong he believe in "his" religion. I mean, a two year old doesn't have much of a say in the religion he follows, doing whatever his parents force him to, a thirteen year old will have some sense of what he wants to follow (though there's still the issue of parental conditioning...).
This isn't a case of the council acting of their own accord, or changing their own policies.
I think the bigger issue is that of the child's religion. I didn't see the age of the kid, how much he is aware of religion and how strong he believe in "his" religion. I mean, a two year old doesn't have much of a say in the religion he follows, doing whatever his parents force him to, a thirteen year old will have some sense of what he wants to follow (though there's still the issue of parental conditioning...).
Franks Wild Years
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So, your friends were turned down because they wanted to send a child to private school ?
I would say that they would have good grounds to appeal this decision then, as provided children are educated under the guidelines that cover the education of children generally, this is not a good enough reason to turn prospective parents down.
As for being overweight, social services do take prospective parents health into account but again, I would imagine this could be overturned on appeal provided they were able to show that they were aware of their own health issues and were possibly willing to address these issues.
If your friends are serious I would encourage them to keep trying.
I would say that they would have good grounds to appeal this decision then, as provided children are educated under the guidelines that cover the education of children generally, this is not a good enough reason to turn prospective parents down.
As for being overweight, social services do take prospective parents health into account but again, I would imagine this could be overturned on appeal provided they were able to show that they were aware of their own health issues and were possibly willing to address these issues.
If your friends are serious I would encourage them to keep trying.
can't work out why gays want to have children in a non reproductive relationship
You said that just to cause contraversy surely ?
Weirdly, you can't choose your sexuality ( even though you might choose to stiffle it ) - why, if you're gay, wouldn't you want the possibility of the joys and delight of having children ? That pleasure should have nothing to do with your sexuality.
Does that mean you would refuse to let your children be fostered by a couple who supported Manchester United?
Which then is typical of the medical profesion these days in that with kids they are only to quick to diagnose a disorder of some sort when when in the majority of cases it's down to upbringing. I was listning to 5 live the other day and they had some chavy mum on there defending her 12 yo son who had been given an ASBO for stealing cars, blaming his special disorder of being scared of authority! I shit you not, nope if the gays want to adopt fine by me, although I was adopted in the late sixties and i'm not sure how i would have fared at school with regard to abuse lol.
Pretty pink fairy
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why wouldn't you want to produce that child with a women
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Tyrone Biggums
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She isn't saying they couldn't be great parents, but for a practising Roman Catholic child they aren't appropriate because they can't take the child to church and meet the childs spiritual needs.
This child obviously feels strongly about their own faith so it's easier for the child to fit in if the parents share similar beliefs.
This isn't about the gay foster parents needs, it's about the childs.
The Large One
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Read the story again.
The reason for the council reviewing the case (they still might place the child back with the same foster parents) is because of a legal argument brought about by the mother's religious needs, which conflict with the concept of single-sex parents.
Point is, no-one except the mother is arguing the case for the child's religious needs (indeed, the child's religious beliefs are not even mentioned, and they appear not to be part of the legal argument).
You're right about it not being to do with the foster parents' needs, but then no-one (until your post there) said it was.
Exactly. The child wanted to be with Catholic foster parents.
The Large One
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It doesn't say that.
It says the mother wants the child to be with Catholic foster parents.
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Its adam and eve , not adam and steve.
Tyrone Biggums
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The child seems to be continuing onwith their own religious beliefs without the mother present.
Which means the religious aspect is part of the childs needs.
It said that both the mother and child agreed on this.
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The Large One
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Not necessarily. Admittedly a huge amount of the story isn't being told here but...
• Nowhere does it say that the boy's religious 'needs' are not being met
• Nowhere does it say that this is what the boy wants or indeed what his needs are, so we don't know what he wants - and no-one is in a position to say you do.
The crux of the story is that the mother's religious beliefs - not necessarily the boy's - are dictating that she doesn't want the boy to be with same-sex parents. The point is, her religious beliefs are not going to come high on the list of priorities for the boy's welfare.
The 1989 Children Act requires councils to ‘give due consideration’ to the child’s religion when choosing foster parents.
The mother told the Mail on Sunday: “I am so happy and relieved. So is my son. Our religion is very important to us.”
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Admittedly she could be talking for him here, but it does seem he wishes to be with a family similar in lifestyle to his own, and of course he would, no? Who wouldn't?