The Tories planning to get Britain back to work

[coventrygull]

They don't to pay all single mothers to stay at home anymore then....

RE: Gordon Browns Statement regarding single mothers. Gordon you naughty boy going on BNP websites. Sack him

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Different Government same old shite

New Labour - Old Tories

So no NI tax for new companies employing less than 10 staff? What will that do to the established companies that struggled to get through the last 20 years or will they have to go bust and start again to compete.

These people have no idea about real life so how can any of them run the country?

 

[looney]

Yup, wage levels are a function of scarcity and bargaining power.

When there is high unemployment there tends to be less scarcity, so wage rises tend to be lower.

If the Tories are successful in getting those on benefits back to work, then these people will have to displace others who are currently employed.

The money saved will be the net of:
£
Incapacity benefit saved x
Less: Increased unemployment benefit (x)
Less: Increased costs of checking the
suitability of those on incapacity benefit (x)
Less: Costs to NHS for increased stress induced
medication for those on incapacity benefit (x)

tHIS IS RUBBISH. Its the slice of cake argument, displacement depends on both zero jobs growth and zero/plus net immigration at least.

Shutting the door on the foreign labour tsunami and encouraging mothers to stay at home with young children will have a zero cost and positive benefit.

 

[El Presidente]

Shutting the door on the foreign labour tsunami and encouraging mothers to stay at home with young children will have a zero cost and positive benefit.

This is RUBBISH.

Have you any idea why mothers go back to work? It is because they need to supplant their spouse's wages to pay the bills. Some of them also want to work rather than pick up nappies and read The Hungry Caterpillar a dozen times a day, and I can't blame those that choose such an option.

Should you ever have a girlfriend/partner/spouse and have kids you would know this, but you don't.

 

[Billy the Fish]

The money saved will be the net of:
£
Incapacity benefit saved x
Less: Increased unemployment benefit (x)
Less: Increased costs of checking the
suitability of those on incapacity benefit (x)
Less: Costs to NHS for increased stress induced
medication for those on incapacity benefit (x)

Plus income tax and NI contribution.

I don't know what the fuss is about, people are already means tested, if you are really unable to work then you will have nothing to worry about. This won't bring in that much income but it is a step in the right direction to end the benefits culture that this government has presided over. All they need to do is use existing laws and make councils direct more resources towards benefit faud. A good friend of mine is a fraud investigator and he said that they don't have anywhere near enough time to look at all of the possible cases.

They also need other initatives to run with this such as training schemes. Labour has made it too difficult for out of work people to take a low paid job, you're better off not working in many cases. I see they also announced a new emphasis on getting more youngsters into vocational training which is a good step away from Blairs ludicrous target of 50% going to uni.

As for the public sector, even Labour has admitted that it needs to be cut, that isn't even in dispute. It's simple economics, they are borrowing billions every month to make up their budget defecit so something has to give. If the tory's can get rid of a few failed quangos and some of the admin part of the NHS then more money can be directed to front line services.

 

[looney]

This is RUBBISH.

Have you any idea why mothers go back to work? It is because they need to supplant their spouse's wages to pay the bills. Some of them also want to work rather than pick up nappies and read The Hungry Caterpillar a dozen times a day, and I can't blame those that choose such an option.

Should you ever have a girlfriend/partner/spouse and have kids you would know this, but you don't.

This is more RUBBISH. The reason 2 parents are working is because labour has geared the tax system towards it and couples lack CHOICE.

Countless attitude surveys and interational comparisons confirm this, if you had the first clue about economics you would be aware of this.

If you want to read anything beyond The hungry Caterpiller try Prof Gary Beckers Treatise on the Family.

 

[Gwylan]

tHIS IS RUBBISH. Its the slice of cake argument, displacement depends on both zero jobs growth and zero/plus net immigration at least.

Shutting the door on the foreign labour tsunami and encouraging mothers to stay at home with young children will have a zero cost and positive benefit.

Given that the biggest immigrant groups are young Aussies, Kiwis and Yarpies on short-term visas and immigrants from the EU (for whom there are no restrictions) how are you going to stop immigration? And BTW, the Tories have no plans to withdraw from the EU or stop southern hemisphere bar staff coming over.

Also, how are you going to stop mothers going out to work without it costing more? Sure, you could bribe them to stay at home by offering better tax breaks for families but that's scarcely a zero-cost.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

When the 2.6M are re-assessed all that will happen is somewhere between 500k and 1M will be taken off IB and placed on JSA. There are a substantial number of claimants who are workshy and believe the state should provide them with a lifetime on benefits. Why should we have to work our bollocks off when they can lie on the settee watching daytime TV ?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Why should we have to work our bollocks off when they can lie on the settee watching daytime TV ?

To give Jeremy Kyle an excuse for his existence?

 

[DerbyGull]

Get George and his respect party in POWER!

What we stand for:

Jobs and homes for all.
Good quality services; an end to all privatisation and the bringing into democratic public ownership of the railways and other public services such as fuel, water and care for the elderly.
A free, comprehensive education system that gives an equal chance in life to every child, no matter how wealthy or poor their parents, from nursery to university.
A publicly owned, fully funded, democratically controlled NHS, free to all users.
A decent life in retirement; pensions linked to average earnings.
Raising the minimum wage to the European Union Decency threshold of £8 an hour.
Taxing the rich and big business to fund welfare and public services.
The repeal of the anti-union laws, which prevent workers from protecting their jobs and conditions effectively.
Opposition to all forms of discrimination based on race, gender, ethnicity, religious beliefs (or lack of them), sexual orientation, disabilities, national origin or citizenship.
The defence of the rights of refugees and asylum seekers. Opposition to the European Union’s ‘Fortress Europe’ policies.
We will strongly oppose the anti- European xenophobic right wing in any Euro referendum. But we oppose the ‘stability pact’ that the European Union seeks to impose on all those who join the euro. This pact would outlaw government deficit spending and reinforce the drive to privatise and deregulate the economy and we will therefore vote ‘No’ in any referendum on this issue.
An end to the wars and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. We will not support any imperialist wars.
Support for the people of Palestine and opposition to the apartheid system that oppresses them.
An end to the destruction of the environment by states and corporations for whom profit is more important than sustaining the natural world on which all life depends.
We want a world in which the democratic demands of the people are carried out; a world based on need not profit; a world where solidarity rather than self-interest is the spirit of the age.

 

[beorhthelm]

bit of a gimmick, Labour has already made some efforts (well, annoucments, and probably employed a few thousand to run the programme) at tackling this issue.

but its odd how anyone can be against it? who the hell wants to pay for people who are out of work claiming illness when they either are fine or could do a job where their disability isnt an issue? ironically there are charities out there who try to place those that are disabled and want to work, while others have superficial health problems and refuse to retrain or deliberatly screwup interveiws.

 

[Yoda]

Means test for incapacity claimants already exists by the way, though there are some feckless and workshy abusing the system and they should be rooted out.

No there isn't.

IB is points based, based on how much NI you have paid for the previous 2 years and qualify for IB payments.

If you haven't paid enough points, your points are then paid by IB and you claim Income Support which is means tested.

 

[Yoda]

When the 2.6M are re-assessed all that will happen is somewhere between 500k and 1M will be taken off IB and placed on JSA. There are a substantial number of claimants who are workshy and believe the state should provide them with a lifetime on benefits. Why should we have to work our bollocks off when they can lie on the settee watching daytime TV ?

And how many of them will be single women who then get themselves knocked up so they can claim IS?

 

[withdeanwombat]

Same old Tories.Vote for them at your peril.Truly the car salesmen of politics.Vote for them if you are rich or stupid.

 

[METALMICKY]

No there isn't.

IB is points based, based on how much NI you have paid for the previous 2 years and qualify for IB payments.

If you haven't paid enough points, your points are then paid by IB and you claim Income Support which is means tested.

The misconception that IB is means tested may just explain why so many claimants mistakenly claim free NHS dental treatment. An expensive mistake which will result in repaying the cost of your treatment plus a £100 fine. OUCH!

 

[Simster]

This is more RUBBISH. The reason 2 parents are working is because labour has geared the tax system towards it and couples lack CHOICE.

Countless attitude surveys and interational comparisons confirm this, if you had the first clue about economics you would be aware of this.

If you want to read anything beyond The hungry Caterpiller try Prof Gary Beckers Treatise on the Family.

No, I'm afraid you're talking absolute bollocks as you usually do on economic matters, loonster. Everything that El Pres says is correct, certainly in my experience. My wife has gone back to work for 2 reasons - to add income to the household and to move on from a life entirely defined by small children. Tax system my f***ing arse - you do talk some utter shit.

 

[El Presidente]

Why should we have to work our bollocks off when they can lie on the settee watching daytime TV ?

I work my bollocks off so that I DON'T have to watch daytime TV, the thought of banal witterings for 8 hours a day is frightening, it's bad enough doing it in front of the camera, but the thought of having it piped to me is scary.

 

[ROSM]

If only I realised it was the tax system that was one of the issues that caused the decision that my wife is going back to work.

It is all about income - whether that income is to pay mortgages, do the things that we would like to do, do things that mean our kids have opportunities that we didn;t have etc

And then there's childcare. With Gordon Brown's new plan it will be more expensive in real terms. To go back to work is not a cheap option and a part time job does not cover it in many cases so it does mean an almost full time job for many. But that could be an example where the labour tax proposals actually work against mothers going back to work as the benefit of doing so is reduced.

But lets not let facts get in the way of a good generalisation

 

[keaton]

Cameron outdid himself this morning on BBC, complaing about labours economic policy and when asked what the Tory's policy was, was incapable of even giving a vague idea of what they would do, started stammering and saying George will let you know tomorrow but it will involve cuts, spending and jobs.