The Teachers Strike On Thursday

[Clive Walker's slaphead]

My wife works in a full time in a school and having previously spent all her working life in the private sector cannot believe how lazy and work shy teachers are. As she said to me before you wouldn't get away with what they do in the real world. They seem to go sick at the sign of a sneeze or headache. From what she says to me it seems that they spend their life in a bubble. Like all of us they start school at 4 but never leave that environment until they retire. The other week one even said to her that if it wasn't for the holidays he wouldn't be a teacher. Great isn't it. And this is at one of the biggest secondary schools in Eastbourne that has a good reputation.

 

[sten_super]

My wife works in a full time in a school and having previously spent all her working life in the private sector cannot believe how lazy and work shy teachers are. As she said to me before you wouldn't get away with what they do in the real world. They seem to go sick at the sign of a sneeze or headache. From what she says to me it seems that they spend their life in a bubble. Like all of us they start school at 4 but never leave that environment until they retire. The other week one even said to her that if it wasn't for the holidays he wouldn't be a teacher. Great isn't it. And this is at one of the biggest secondary schools in Eastbourne that has a good reputation.

Does your wife work as a teacher? From your opening sentence I'm guessing not. Does she appreciate the amount of work that teachers do outside of a school environment? I can tell you that teachers work a hell of a lot harder than any of their students do. I appreciate that you get bad teachers (as you get bad workers in every profession) but I think it's harsh to tar them all with the same brush. It seems that those of us on here that actually know teachers know the long hours that they put in; perhaps if others appreciated (or actually believed) that they may have slightly more understanding.

 

[London Calling]

No it would attract mercaneries like any other top end earning job!!!

No.

You don't just become a teacher.

So after the training, a school will hopefully have a greater range of candidates to chose from, which should lead to a greater chance of quality, leading to better education.

At the mo, the second accent heard in our local schools is australian, who do their bit for 2/3 years. then they go home.

Where's the excellence and continuality in that!

LC

 

[Chicken Run]

My ex was a teacher and inthe 6 years I was with him he worked his balls off and throughly deserved the holiday and pay. The people who don't understand what teachers do for their children are the same sort of morons who stroll into school and try to argue with teachers.

What school did he teach at nibble

 

[Nibble]

What school did she teach at nibble

Not at a school. She was a specialist teacher going around teaching spakkers and retards in their own homes. Don't you remember her? She says you are doing very well at your sums but can't stop shitting yourself.

 

[Nibble]

My wife works in a full time in a school and having previously spent all her working life in the private sector cannot believe how lazy and work shy teachers are. As she said to me before you wouldn't get away with what they do in the real world. They seem to go sick at the sign of a sneeze or headache. From what she says to me it seems that they spend their life in a bubble. Like all of us they start school at 4 but never leave that environment until they retire. The other week one even said to her that if it wasn't for the holidays he wouldn't be a teacher. Great isn't it. And this is at one of the biggest secondary schools in Eastbourne that has a good reputation.

Bet she is not a teacher though is she? Bitter perhaps?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

My g/f is also a teacher, works until ten a clock most evenings after school preparing and marking for the next day and also has loads of preparation to do in the holidays. Teachers probably work longer hours than almost any other profession. The irony is that she doesn't support this strike as her union (not the NUT the other one whose name escapes me) wants a reduced workload rather than more pay which is what this strike is about and she's probably going to end up covering for the NUT teachers out on strike.

 

[Nibble]

Most teachers don't want to strike. The NUT says they have to so they have to,

 

[BigGully]

My wife works in a full time in a school and having previously spent all her working life in the private sector cannot believe how lazy and work shy teachers are. As she said to me before you wouldn't get away with what they do in the real world. They seem to go sick at the sign of a sneeze or headache. From what she says to me it seems that they spend their life in a bubble. Like all of us they start school at 4 but never leave that environment until they retire. The other week one even said to her that if it wasn't for the holidays he wouldn't be a teacher. Great isn't it. And this is at one of the biggest secondary schools in Eastbourne that has a good reputation.

What a load of boloney ...

My wife is a teacher, she came into it late after going to University for 4 years full time and achieved a first class degree in her 30's after being a self employed.

Unless you have someone close to you that is a Teacher it is normal to misrepresent them as you have. I thought until my wife became a Teacher that they turned up at 9.00am home by 3.30pm and after all they only babysit kids !!!

What a shock, the hours are extremely long and draining and the concientious work the vast majority of Teachers do up against some really really dysfunctional families and demands of Government is quite impressive.

It is true that there might be a small minority of Teachers that do go sick for periods but I am guessing its quite similar in the private sector.

I have yet to meet a Teacher that isnt extremely talented and caring, giving our children the best possible learning opportunities.

Teachers get to School at 8.00am set-up, teach and control not just children but parents too and are invaribly do not finish before 5.30pm and many times later with different Governers/Staff meetings.

I would love to know exactly what your wife does in the School to offer such a distorted view of the Teaching profession ?

 

[Chicken Run]

Not at a school. She was a specialist teacher going around teaching spakkers and retards in their own homes. Don't you remember her? She says you are doing very well at your sums but can't stop shitting yourself.

I was good at oral though he loved it!

 

[Nibble]

What a load of boloney ...

My wife is a teacher, she came into it late after going to University for 4 years full time and achieved a first class degree in her 30's after being a self employed.

Unless you have someone close to you that is a Teacher it is normal to misrepresent them as you have. I thought until my wife became a Teacher that they turned up at 9.00am home by 3.30pm and after all they only babysit kids !!!

What a shock, the hours are extremely long and draining and the concientious work the vast majority of Teachers do up against some really really dysfunctional families and demands of Government is quite impressive.

It is true that there might be a small minority of Teachers that do go sick for periods but I am guessing its quite similar in the private sector.

I have yet to meet a Teacher that isnt extremely talented and caring, giving our children the best possible learning opportunities.

Teachers get to School at 8.00am set-up, teach and control not just children but parents too and are invaribly do not finish before 5.30pm and many times later with different Governers/Staff meetings.

I would love to know exactly what your wife does in the School to offer such a distorted view of the Teaching profession ?

Absaloutely spot on. Well put.

 

[Nibble]

I was good at oral though he loved it!

Fair play

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

What a load of boloney ...

My wife is a teacher, she came into it late after going to University for 4 years full time and achieved a first class degree in her 30's after being a self employed.

Unless you have someone close to you that is a Teacher it is normal to misrepresent them as you have. I thought until my wife became a Teacher that they turned up at 9.00am home by 3.30pm and after all they only babysit kids !!!

What a shock, the hours are extremely long and draining and the concientious work the vast majority of Teachers do up against some really really dysfunctional families and demands of Government is quite impressive.

It is true that there might be a small minority of Teachers that do go sick for periods but I am guessing its quite similar in the private sector.

I have yet to meet a Teacher that isnt extremely talented and caring, giving our children the best possible learning opportunities.

Teachers get to School at 8.00am set-up, teach and control not just children but parents too and are invaribly do not finish before 5.30pm and many times later with different Governers/Staff meetings.

I would love to know exactly what your wife does in the School to offer such a distorted view of the Teaching profession ?

Sums it up for me. Well said!

 

[Dr Q]

Sums it up for me. Well said!

And me
(missus is a teacher ... NUSWT so not striking tomorrow)

 

[Nibble]

My ex was always saying that the admin staff were quite off with the teachers because the teachers earned way more, had more respect and got paid holidays while the other staff were pr-rata'd. It's human nature I suppose to judge and insult before actually looking at what a teacher does day in day out.

My ex was always working late, going in on holidays to sort her classroom out, having meetings, planning, parents evenings, starting early, art co-ordinating, orgainsing assemblies, organising trips to France for kids, trips to beach and local spots. (maybe she was having an affair!)

It is a hard job and anyone who says it isn't just does not know what it is to be a teacher.

 

[See-Goals]

Teachers have consistently been awarded higher pay awards annually since 1997 more than any of their public sector counterparts (police, fire service, NHS workforce, local government staff, civil servants)

Labour have now plugged the teacher shortage problem with the attractive pay increases (not to mention the 4 grand 'Golden Hello' payment to all newly qualified teachers) and are now adjusting their pay awards in line with the rest of the public sector.

The NHS unions have agreed a below inflation rise over the next 3 years (2.75% in 2008, 2.44% in 2009 and 2.22% in 2010) WHY? Because its unrealistic to expect anything else and the workforce are intelligent enough to appreciate public money is public money and service provison ALWAYS comes first.

Local government pay deals aren't much better for the next 3 years. Its time teachers stopped complaining and got on with it. What would they be like with their current level of pay and only 4-5 weeks leave like the rest of us. Time to stop telling yourself how important you are and step in line with your fellow public sector colleagues who work in far more pressurised working environments were lives are at stake.

 

[Nibble]

Teachers have consistently been awarded higher pay awards annually since 1997 more than any of their public sector counterparts (police, fire service, NHS workforce, local government staff, civil servants)

Labour have now plugged the teacher shortage problem with the attractive pay increases (not to mention the 4 grand 'Golden Hello' payment to all newly qualified teachers) and are now adjusting their pay awards in line with the rest of the public sector.

The NHS unions have agreed a below inflation rise over the next 3 years (2.75% in 2008, 2.44% in 2009 and 2.22% in 2010) WHY? Because its unrealistic to expect anything else and the workforce are intelligent enough to appreciate public money is public money and service provison ALWAYS comes first.

Local government pay deals aren't much better for the next 3 years. Its time teachers stopped complaining and got on with it. What would they be like with their current level of pay and only 4-5 weeks leave like the rest of us. Time to stop telling yourself how important you are and step in line with your fellow public sector colleagues who work in far more pressurised working environments were lives are at stake.

I can see how it seems like that but you don't know hwat you are talking about.

 

[BigGully]

Teachers have consistently been awarded higher pay awards annually since 1997 more than any of their public sector counterparts (police, fire service, NHS workforce, local government staff, civil servants)

Labour have now plugged the teacher shortage problem with the attractive pay increases (not to mention the 4 grand 'Golden Hello' payment to all newly qualified teachers) and are now adjusting their pay awards in line with the rest of the public sector.

The NHS unions have agreed a below inflation rise over the next 3 years (2.75% in 2008, 2.44% in 2009 and 2.22% in 2010) WHY? Because its unrealistic to expect anything else and the workforce are intelligent enough to appreciate public money is public money and service provison ALWAYS comes first.

Local government pay deals aren't much better for the next 3 years. Its time teachers stopped complaining and got on with it. What would they be like with their current level of pay and only 4-5 weeks leave like the rest of us. Time to stop telling yourself how important you are and step in line with your fellow public sector colleagues who work in far more pressurised working environments were lives are at stake.

Its interesting how we try to somehow compare public sector services and there importance.

I have close friends in all of those aforementioned professions and we all recognise how important they are.

But one aspect that I think should be mentioned is that neither our Policeman, Fireman, Nurse or Local Government friends ever were obliged to earn a degree as part of securing employments in those chosen professions.

It might be argued that we can say without question that all Teacher's in mainstream schools have earnt a high level of qualification that is recognised by most Industries , whereas in those other professions many have not.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

But in fairness, would you be happy with the promise of 3 years pay rises below inflation?

They should thank their lucky stars they're in the public sector and get pay-rises full-stop. I've not had a pay rise in over TWO years

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[BigGully]

They should thank their lucky stars they're in the public sector and get pay-rises full-stop. I've not had a pay rise in over TWO years

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What profession are you in ??