The Muslim Tommies

[Rusthall Seagull]

what are you on about ?? i commented on a patronising piece off BBC rubbish, what on earth have other documentaries got to do with it ?

your comment suggested that the BBC promote 'right on causes and views'. I am just pointing out that there our hundreds of other BBC docs about the war that dont mention the part Muslims played - surely it is just a documentary detailing part of our history that many paople were not aware of ? so why the big drama from you?

 

[Scampi]

why people are amazed that muslims served either in the Indian Army (NOT the British Army) or even in the British Army, when India was a f***ing colony for 300 years, is the saddest things at all.

How many hindus served? How many muslims were involved in the Mutiny?

Its just more 6th form BBC nonsense, with the barest historical context but with a massive agenda of normalising the huge changes in British society through having events like British muslims blowing up their fellow citizens on tubes and at airports. You dont have to be a muslim hating Daily Mail Reader (using the standard NSC Idiot Shorthand to help some) to see how cringeworthy this was, when it could have been really interesting and explored the dynamics of the British Empire.

Did you watch the programme?

 

[The Spanish]

Did you watch the programme?

Did you read my post saying I am watching it now?


Its just above yours. It does help to pay attention if you are just wading in for no reason, and then hilariously attempting to pull people up on not seeing something.

 

[El Presidente]

i could go on,

That would be unusual.......


I do have some sympathy for you Bushy. If I had to put on a motorcycle helmet and riot shield each morning when doing to work to avoid low flying nappies from Bangladeshi nappies I would be bitter and twisted too. It must be a f***ing nightmare wearing all that and swiping your Oyster card on the tube

I believe this picture is from your Facebook page just before you set off this today.

 

[User removed 4]

That would be unusual.......


I do have some sympathy for you Bushy. If I had to put on a motorcycle helmet and riot shield each morning when doing to work to avoid low flying nappies from Bangladeshi nappies I would be bitter and twisted too. It must be a f***ing nightmare wearing all that and swiping your Oyster card on the tube

I believe this picture is from your Facebook page just before you set off this today.

faintly amusing, but for the record , i catc an overground train from clapham junction before i get on the tube and south west trains dont accept oyster, just for the record.

 

[Brovion]

why people are amazed that muslims served either in the Indian Army (NOT the British Army) or even in the British Army, when India was a f***ing colony for 300 years, is the saddest things at all.

How many hindus served? How many muslims were involved in the Mutiny?

Its just more 6th form BBC nonsense, with the barest historical context but with a massive agenda of normalising the huge changes in British society through having events like British muslims blowing up their fellow citizens on tubes and at airports. You dont have to be a muslim hating Daily Mail Reader (using the standard NSC Idiot Shorthand to help some) to see how cringeworthy this was, when it could have been really interesting and explored the dynamics of the British Empire.

I didn't say 'British Army' I said fought FOR the British.

I actually do share your contempt for the cringeworthy '6th form BBC nonsense' which often taints these programmes. When they were doing a drama about Walter Tull (black officer in WW1) they mentioned that he'd been recommended for a medal ....... and he never received it. The inference being that he didn't get it because he was black, whereas thousands of white officers were also recommended for awards and never got them.

Anyway, that aside I'm really not sure why you're so angry. Leaving aside the 'PC bollocks' that always infects these programmes it IS worth stating the fact that 'brown people' fought for Britain if only to act as a counterbalance to the 'all muslims want to blow us up' school of thought. Why do you have a problem with it?

 

[Common as Mook]

A perfectly good thread will turn into an 8 page binfest with all the usual suspects

Give that man a gold star.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

 

[coventrygull]

The Waffen SS recruited across Europe during the course of WW2. They had little success with their Legion of St George and recruited about 60 POWs led by a man called John Amery. Amery's brother Julian was the Conservative MP for Brighton Pavilion for many years in the 50s and 60s. Julian Amery had an exemplary service record for our army I hasten to add, while his brother was executed for treason in 1945.

It was not called the Legion of St George. It was the British Friekorp. Will the BBC show a programme on the Jews that fought for Hitler?

 

[The Spanish]

I didn't say 'British Army' I said fought FOR the British.

I actually do share your contempt for the cringeworthy '6th form BBC nonsense' which often taints these programmes. When they were doing a drama about Walter Tull (black officer in WW1) they mentioned that he'd been recommended for a medal ....... and he never received it. The inference being that he didn't get it because he was black, whereas thousands of white officers were also recommended for awards and never got them.

Anyway, that aside I'm really not sure why you're so angry. Leaving aside the 'PC bollocks' that always infects these programmes it IS worth stating the fact that 'brown people' fought for Britain if only to act as a counterbalance to the 'all muslims want to blow us up' school of thought. Why do you have a problem with it?

People should know that brown people fought for Britain, I agree. Any soprt of national self mythologising or selective history is wrong, and distorts peoples worldviews. My only problem is with the idiotic nannyish hamfisted and gauche way the BBC goes about it. The 'hideously white' BBC telling the proles that Muslims Are Good. They may have worked out for themselves that ruling India and recruiting 100s of thousands of them as soldiers might have involved some muslims who might have been brown. That's my issue.

 

[User removed 4]

It was not called the Legion of St George. It was the British Friekorp. Will the BBC show a programme on the Jews that fought for Hitler?

jews that fought for hitler ? what next the turkeys that voted for christmas !!
seriously did that happen ?

 

[Brovion]

People should know that brown people fought for Britain, I agree. Any soprt of national self mythologising or selective history is wrong, and distorts peoples worldviews. My only problem is with the idiotic nannyish hamfisted and gauche way the BBC goes about it. The 'hideously white' BBC telling the proles that Muslims Are Good. They may have worked out for themselves that ruling India and recruiting 100s of thousands of them as soldiers might have involved some muslims who might have been brown. That's my issue.

You see when you put it like that I agree with you!

 

[coventrygull]

jews that fought for hitler ? what next the turkeys that voted for christmas !!
seriously did that happen ?

It certainly did. There is even a book on the subject. They were Mischlinge. People that were half jews etc. Some were even prominent generals in the Wehrmacht. I could also mention the large amount of Jews in Mussolini's Blackshirts.

 

[Hungry Joe]

People should know that brown people fought for Britain, I agree. Any soprt of national self mythologising or selective history is wrong, and distorts peoples worldviews. My only problem is with the idiotic nannyish hamfisted and gauche way the BBC goes about it. The 'hideously white' BBC telling the proles that Muslims Are Good. They may have worked out for themselves that ruling India and recruiting 100s of thousands of them as soldiers might have involved some muslims who might have been brown. That's my issue.

All history is selective or objective to some degree. What riles people about certain 'versions' of history largely depends on their political/religious/general viewpoint to start with.

 

[Hungry Joe]

It certainly did. There is even a book on the subject. They were Mischlinge. People that were half jews etc. Some were even prominent generals in the Wehrmacht. I could also mention the large amount of Jews in Mussolini's Blackshirts.

Careful banding terms like 'large amount' without quantifying. Jews also worked in the concentration and work camps, some assisting with the attempted genocide of their own race. The thing is though it is very easy to sit in judgement of these things from our comfy lives. Humans will do terrible things just to stay alive.

 

[The Spanish]

All history is selective or objective to some degree. What riles people about certain 'versions' of history largely depends on their political/religious/general viewpoint to start with.

sorry mate but that is meaningless nonsense. History is fact. Interpretations or accounts can be selective or objective, that's all.

Peoples responses to posts depend on their interpretation of peoples political/religious/general viewpoint, more like.

 

[coventrygull]

Careful banding terms like 'large amount' without quantifying. Jews also worked in the concentration and work camps, some assisting with the attempted genocide of their own race. The thing is though it is very easy to sit in judgement of these things from our comfy lives. Humans will do terrible things just to stay alive.

Mussolini's Fascist movement was not anti semitic until he linked up with Hitler. There was about 150,000 half jews in the German army according to some historians.

 

[Hungry Joe]

sorry mate but that is meaningless nonsense. History is fact. Interpretations or accounts can be selective or objective, that's all.

Peoples responses to posts depend on their interpretation of peoples political/religious/general viewpoint, more like.

No its not. History is interpretations and accounts of factual events.

I see where you're going with the second bit but it wasn't a dig at what I believe your politics etc to be, I really ahven't got a clue, as I'm sure you haven't of mine.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

jews that fought for hitler ? what next the turkeys that voted for christmas !!
seriously did that happen ?

A little known fact is that in Italy,where fascism obviously began, the Jewish population was among its most active supporters.

The reason is pretty simple. Money. Italy in the inter War years, was riven by economic turmoil and political infighting. The Communists were on the rise and in fact won the 1929 General Election. The Jewish community was well established in business and held important roles in the armed forces and were desperate to maintain the capitalist state so were heavily involved in the formation of a group of militant right wing opponentes to the commies - ultimately the Fascisti, who went on the streets and seized power from the democratically elected socialists in bloody fighting.

Jews remained prominent in Italian far right politics until the Germans took it one step further and their influence over Mussolini drove a reversal of their influence later in the 1930's.

Frankly, I can see why middle class Jews, faced with losing their land and wealth would opt for this, but it is important to remember that you tend to reap what you sow.

 

[keaton]

sorry mate but that is meaningless nonsense. History is fact. Interpretations or accounts can be selective or objective, that's all.

Peoples responses to posts depend on their interpretation of peoples political/religious/general viewpoint, more like.

Those the words of a man who didn't even to GCSE History. History until very, very recently was almost all written by the rich, to support the people in power at the time