[Politics] The Labour Government

[Is it PotG?]

He doesn't need to punch hard with a 174 seat majority

Indeed, the union bods are loving every moment.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Indeed, the union bods are loving every moment.

Whilst you and your friend Ronnie are back in tandem again getting ever more desperate by the day

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

He doesn't need to punch hard with a 174 seat majority

Yes, he has such a tough negotiating team backing him up, what could go wrong.🫣

 

[Is it PotG?]

Whilst you and your friend Ronnie are back in tandem again getting ever more desperate by the day

It's the same flippin' account!

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Yes, he has such a tough negotiating team backing him up, what could go wrong.🫣

Yes , a team that knows the art of negotiation unlike the Tories who have tried to avoid this for the last two years.

 

[Lever]

I often wonder.

Me too....

 

[BLOCK F]

Yes , a team that knows the art of negotiation unlike the Tories who have tried to avoid this for the last two years.

Haha, yer ‘avin’ a larf!

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's the same flippin' account!

Now I know that and you know that, but as long as you and Ronnie don't turn off your VPNs it will be our little secret

 

[Is it PotG?]

Now I know that and you know that, but as long as you and Ronnie don't turn off your VPNs it will be our little secret

If it were on the other foot, I'd swear that you and 'H' had been separated at birth ....just shows you never can tell.

 

[abc]

They're a non-profit organisation (ie. all their income is ultimately spent on their core activity) so they wouldn't pay tax on profits anyway, even if they weren't a charity. As for VAT, businesses don't pay it - their customers do. There is no VAT on rent of agricultural land or on the sale of it for housing, no VAT on rental of housing, no VAT on gifts received from the parishioners, so apart from a bit of VAT income from charging for admission to cathedrals (which would be more than lost for the VAT on repairs to said cathedrals) there would be not much in it for the government to gain.

Same with organisations like the RSPCA, though in a smaller way - they have assets of about a quarter of a billion, I believe. But they don't pay tax.

“They're a non-profit organisation (ie. all their income is ultimately spent on their core activity”:

Tell that to the parishioners of every church in the land that are told to cough up to pay for their vicar and church repairs or their church will be sold off. Tell that to the vicars that receive a pittance. Tell that to the thousands of church employees around the world trading the church assets and earning six figure salaries and bonuses. Tell that to the farmers that are evicted without compensation when the church receive millions for housing development but pay no capital gains.

Their net work increases by hundreds of millions annually (see their public accounts). So ‘not for profit’ is a smokescreen at best

And why does a religious org get this status anyway? We expect Amazon to pay tax, why not the church.

All the above written by someone with a faith by the way.

 

[abc]

This doesn't really make sense. Regardless of how hard one has to (physically) work, pay is ultimately the determinant of how desirable a job is.

The key is that Eastern European migrants had a lower threshold of what is acceptable pay for the role, and thus filled the available jobs. Make the pay £1,000/day and there'd be a queue of locals demanding the work.

Obviously an extreme figure but you are right in that there would be a queue on day one but nobody back on day two.
Honestly, this is the reality in practice and why fruit and veg farmers are planting less and the country is importing more. If the solution was as simple as paying more, I can guarantee those producers would find a way to do so rather than see their businesses wound up.

 

[beorhthelm]

“They're a non-profit organisation (ie. all their income is ultimately spent on their core activity”:

Tell that to the parishioners of every church in the land that are told to cough up to pay for their vicar and church repairs or their church will be sold off. Tell that to the vicars that receive a pittance. Tell that to the thousands of church employees around the world trading the church assets and earning six figure salaries and bonuses. Tell that to the farmers that are evicted without compensation when the church receive millions for housing development but pay no capital gains.

Their net work increases by hundreds of millions annually (see their public accounts). So ‘not for profit’ is a smokescreen at best

And why does a religious org get this status anyway? We expect Amazon to pay tax, why not the church.

All the above written by someone with a faith by the way.

nothing there contradicts the point of them being run as non-profit. also sounds a lot like other charities. plead for money, pay people low rates and, hopefully, spend the difference on their cause.

 

[WATFORD zero]

If it were on the other foot, I'd swear that you and 'H' had been separated at birth ....just shows you never can tell.

That would have been a great response had myself and @Harry Wilson's tackle not been accessing NSC for the last 20 odd years without hiding behind VPNs or having given all our separate bank details to NSC to support it and keep it running.

Had it not been for all that, it would have been a brilliant response

 

[Is it PotG?]

That would have been a great response had myself and @Harry Wilson's tackle not been constantly using VPNs or given all our separate bank details to NSC to support it and keep it running. Had it not been for that, it would have been a brilliant response

Just an observation mate, oddly I don't post for some sort of adulation.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

Yes , a team that knows the art of negotiation unlike the Tories who have tried to avoid this for the last two years.

Perhaps a black hole in the finances could have a part to play in that, would it really be responsible to to give the massive pay rises they are asking for. Much respect has been lost for the greed public sector, this will only get worse when labour keep "saying how much would you like".

The art in negotiations are both parties being happy with the outcome, as a tax payer I ain't happy labour are splashing the cash and showing unions galore what a soft soft weak touch Starmer is.

 

[dsr-burnley]

“They're a non-profit organisation (ie. all their income is ultimately spent on their core activity”:

Tell that to the parishioners of every church in the land that are told to cough up to pay for their vicar and church repairs or their church will be sold off. Tell that to the vicars that receive a pittance. Tell that to the thousands of church employees around the world trading the church assets and earning six figure salaries and bonuses. Tell that to the farmers that are evicted without compensation when the church receive millions for housing development but pay no capital gains.

Their net work increases by hundreds of millions annually (see their public accounts). So ‘not for profit’ is a smokescreen at best

And why does a religious org get this status anyway? We expect Amazon to pay tax, why not the church.

All the above written by someone with a faith by the way.

I'm not going to disagree that they waste an awful lot of money by spending it on the wrong things and people. Nor am I going to argue that they shouldn't be storing up treasure on earth. All am saying is that's why they don't pay tax, for the same reasons as the RSPCA don't pay tax and community sports clubs don't pay tax, albeit on a vastly larger scale.

Evicting tenant farmers to build houses, surely is Labour party policy nowadays? Evicting them to build solar farms certainly is.

 

[FamilyGuy]

We have to face up to the fact there are a lot of people in this country that are easily persuaded to act against their own interests.

I would say poorly informed rather than uneducated

Just so I know, for future reference; am I poorly informed or uneducated?

 

[Is it PotG?]

What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje2ynege5zo

Plan to hike windfall tax sparks energy jobs warning​

 

[nicko31]

What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje2ynege5zo

Plan to hike windfall tax sparks energy jobs warning​

The likes of BP and Shell invest f**k all in renewables, circa 3-4%

They can have tax breaks to invest in these but not inefficient fossil fuels. If we lose a few fossil fuel jobs so be it.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

The likes of BP and Shell invest f**k all in renewables, circa 3-4%

They can have tax breaks to invest in these but not inefficient fossil fuels. If we lose a few fossil fuel jobs so be it.

Yep. Let's start by rtemoving the tax breaks and the suibsidies they are given

Fossil fuel subsidies

The EU’s Eighth Environment Action Programme, in line with EU and international commitments, calls for an immediate phase out of fossil fuel subsidies. Fossil fuel subsidies remained relatively stable at about EUR 56 billion (2022 prices), over the period 2015-2021, yet increased to EUR 123...

www.eea.europa.eu