[Politics] The General Election Thread

[A1X]

If anyone is thinking of voting for the Brexit party you will happy to hear there won't be any reading to be done.

No plans to release a manifesto.

Not that surprising. They basically are the party equivalent of most Twitter Brexiters*.

"LEAVE MEANS LEAVE!!!"

"OK...then what happens?"

"DOESN'T MATTER LEAVE MEANS LEAVE!!!"

*Or PPF

 

[Bozza]

It's going to become increasingly difficult to vote Tory if Boris keeps repeating his list of lies. This mornings " speech " outside Number 10 earlier was a truly awful effort, if one of his key benefits of leaving the EU is to be able to reduce vat on sanitary products, it's pretty thin gruel... As for the 40 new hospitals which has been shot down time and time again....

Absolutely. I can't disagree with any of that and I could never vote for Johnson.

Edit: although as we see on here, day after boring day, there are numerous people on both sides of the political spectrum who are incredibly entrenched, and will not change their vote nomatter what.

 

[Pavilionaire]

None of them have stood for the leadership. Starmer is very much a leading figure in the shadow cabinet and leadership structure. They’re all loyal to the party and stand by its current direction and leadership.

I was speaking more as an ordinary voter looking in than as someone involved in the party. Labour seem to have completely forgotten what it was that won them 3 GEs in a row not so long ago.

 

[nicko31]

You know something that no one else does. It means you can fiill your boots though...

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Think the rainbow coalition is unlikely, more likely some lose arrangement to allow them to re-hash Brexit and put it to a public vote. Then god forbid another election.

There isn't really a good outcome, 2020 is likely to be a mess of a year regardless. Brexit won't be done, so if you're bored of Brexit, get used to it....

 

[Hampster Gull]

It's going to become increasingly difficult to vote Tory if Boris keeps repeating his list of lies. This mornings " speech " outside Number 10 earlier was a truly awful effort, if one of his key benefits of leaving the EU is to be able to reduce vat on sanitary products, it's pretty thin gruel... As for the 40 new hospitals which has been shot down time and time again....

I know. Every time he says his is a one nation Tory party a little old grannie passes away somewhere in the U.K.

 

[A1X]

I know. Every time he says his is a one nation Tory party a little old grannie passes away somewhere in the U.K.

The one nation Tory party all the one nation Tories are standing down from going "**** that shit".

 

[nicko31]

The one nation Tory party all the one nation Tories are standing down from going "**** that shit".

There is a one nation in group in the Tory party its called "Little England"

 

[Hampster Gull]

The one nation Tory party all the one nation Tories are standing down from going "**** that shit".

Yep. Only those who are gullible or who detest Corbyn and Momentum will vote for this lot. A few of my “favourite” quotes “**** business”, “humbug”, “common sense”, “letter boxes”, “£350m”, “piccaninnies”, “no border on the Irish Sea”. **** em

 

[Bold Seagull]

I was speaking more as an ordinary voter looking in than as someone involved in the party. Labour seem to have completely forgotten what it was that won them 3 GEs in a row not so long ago.

I don't think they've forgotten at all. They've returned to the core principles of the party. What this means is they are less appealing to voters who want to vote for 3 parties that are all vaguely similar, and you're choosing between narrow political ideologies. However that is not what the party wants to do, it wants to represent a modern socialist democracy. It is working in other European countries and it is time to consider there are alternatives to the centre ground that don't need to conjure up ridiculous analogies with Stalin and communism.

The fact is, much of our post office, utility delivery, rail franchises are not owned by foreign private companies, they are owned by foreign public state entities. So the reality of these politics isn't some dystopian vision, it is from successfully run European neighbours.

Centrists and fence sitters may not buy into it, others may only see Corbyn as a representation of a 1970s political 'bogeyman', but dig a bit deeper and the policies are something that resonate and did so to nearly 14m voters at the last election.

 

[Gwylan]

Does anyone know what would happen if the Tories were the largest party - but without an overall majority AND Johnson lost his seat. In the event of a hung parliament, the Queen normally asks the leader of the largest party to form a government - but what happens when there isn't a leader?

And, given the Christmas period, I doubt whether the Tories would be able to choose a leader before mid-January, with a Brexit agreement waiting to be sorted.

It's not something that's likely to happen but it's not impossible. I have no idea what would happen in this situation

 

[nicko31]

Does anyone know what would happen if the Tories were the largest party - but without an overall majority AND Johnson lost his seat. In the event of a hung parliament, the Queen normally asks the leader of the largest party to form a government - but what happens when there isn't a leader?

And, given the Christmas period, I doubt whether the Tories would be able to choose a leader before mid-January, with a Brexit agreement waiting to be sorted.

It's not something that's likely to happen but it's not impossible. I have no idea what would happen in this situation

Think BJ could sit in the Lords, Deputy PM?

 

[A1X]

Does anyone know what would happen if the Tories were the largest party - but without an overall majority AND Johnson lost his seat. In the event of a hung parliament, the Queen normally asks the leader of the largest party to form a government - but what happens when there isn't a leader?

And, given the Christmas period, I doubt whether the Tories would be able to choose a leader before mid-January, with a Brexit agreement waiting to be sorted.

It's not something that's likely to happen but it's not impossible. I have no idea what would happen in this situation

With there being no Deputy PM (hasn't been one since Clegg) the First Secretary of State is deemed the Deputy PM and would, presumably, be asked to form a Government pending a leadership election (which is an internal party matter).

At time of dissolution, this was Dominic Raab. Sweet Jesus.

 

[Mellotron]

You know something that no one else does. It means you can fiill your boots though...

Not really. Only said that at this point in time some form of left coalition looks most likely (i.e. any of the different variants). Nowhere did I say I was CERTAIN about one particular variant.

Also, the one I suggested is the 4th most likely according to current odds, in an election that looks likely to be the most unpredictable in years. I certainly wouldn't bet either way on it.

Anyway, carry on straw-manning.

 

[Guinness Boy]

That BBC link you provided was based on a survey from Which? magazine in 2018.Perhaps you were speed-reading it and missed that.I have used rush-hour services when unavoidable,but surely you didn't have to?As for Andy Street not looking out for the homeless,I know who will be serving hot meals on Christmas Day to them (not me).There are some good Tories (just not many).Homelessness and drug abuse/mental illness are often linked,and certainly aren't exclusive to Tory areas,but nobody in Government of whatever persuasion has made a serious attempt to do something about it.

You really are a DURR BRAIN.

Of course I had to use the fast services in rush hour as I was working in an office in the centre of town. When do you think they want you in? 3am? Ten past one in the afternoon? Normal routine would have been 07:23 from Euston to New St and a train around about 5ish back.

And yes, the SOURCE of the survey on the BBC is Which magazine because they tend to run things like consumer data surveys

But I didn't read Which, I summarised the data findings in the BBC link which correlated with my own experiences of dreadful rail service in the West Midland.

Shame Andy Street didn't save Kane Walker eh?

 

[BLOCK F]

Yep. Only those who are gullible or who detest Corbyn and Momentum will vote for this lot. A few of my “favourite” quotes “**** business”, “humbug”, “common sense”, “letter boxes”, “£350m”, “piccaninnies”, “no border on the Irish Sea”. **** em

If you get the chance, grab a copy of today's Times.
You might not agree, but they give pages and pages on why Corbyn and co. would not only ruin the country's economy but would also pose a threat to the security of the country.
Warnings come, not only from Labour's Jack Straw and Lord Hutton but also Joe Haines, who was Harold Wilson's press chief.
Contrary to your statement, there are plenty of ordinary people in this country, who may not hold as strong political views as many who post on here, who do not want Corbyn as PM.
It is a mistake to say they are all wrong.

 

[Bozza]

Not really. Only said that at this point in time some form of left coalition looks most likely (i.e. any of the different variants). Nowhere did I say I was CERTAIN about one particular variant.

Also, the one I suggested is the 4th most likely according to current odds, in an election that looks likely to be the most unpredictable in years. I certainly wouldn't bet either way on it.

Anyway, carry on straw-manning.

6.7% probability of that coalition coming to fruition. I hope your day job doesn't involve working with numbers.

Edit: and, let's be clear, this is nothing to do with what I want or don't want. I was merely highlighting that what you said is most likely is seen as far from that according to the market right now.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

If you get the chance, grab a copy of today's Times.
You might not agree, but they give pages and pages on why Corbyn and co. would not only ruin the country's economy but would also pose a threat to the security of the country.
Warnings come, not only from Labour's Jack Straw and Lord Hutton but also Joe Haines, who was Harold Wilson's press chief.
Contrary to your statement, there are plenty of ordinary people in this country, who may not hold as strong political views as many who post on here, who do not want Corbyn as PM.
It is a mistake to say they are all wrong.

So what in Labour's policies will bring ruin on the country; specifics please? To date all I see is some social democratic reforms which would see more money for health care, education and council housing, alongside increased protections for people at work. A Corbyn led Labour government will be neither a terrorist apocalypse, nor a stalinist nirvana; more of a bit of mainstream tried and tested social democratic market management.

Keep calm and carry on.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

...and yet Labour will finish second to them. They must be truly shit.

I think we know who the shits are in this country. Shame there are such a lot of them

 

[Beach Hut]

So what in Labour's policies will bring ruin on the country; specifics please? To date all I see is some social democratic reforms which would see more money for health care, education and council housing, alongside increased protections for people at work. A Corbyn led Labour government will be neither a terrorist apocalypse, nor a stalinist nirvana; more of a bit of mainstream tried and tested social democratic market management.

Keep calm and carry on.

Perhaps the £100b odd he intends to borrow to re-nationalise railways and utilities, will take an awful long time to pay that back.............

 

[Hampster Gull]

If you get the chance, grab a copy of today's Times.
You might not agree, but they give pages and pages on why Corbyn and co. would not only ruin the country's economy but would also pose a threat to the security of the country.
Warnings come, not only from Labour's Jack Straw and Lord Hutton but also Joe Haines, who was Harold Wilson's press chief.
Contrary to your statement, there are plenty of ordinary people in this country, who may not hold as strong political views as many who post on here, who do not want Corbyn as PM.
It is a mistake to say they are all wrong.

Hi BF. Yes, was a good read. I’m not saying they are wrong and I suspect they are right. I will vote for neither of them.