[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Happy Exile]

Ugh. Nicola Sturgeon YELLING ; “We’ll debate with you or both of you ANYTIME, ANYWHERE”...

Such hideous rhetoric across all parties. And it’s because of the feelings and need for loud, shouty, “we will fix this” sentiment that Brexit has propagated.

It is as if nuance has gone, and now only extremes are permitted because anything but an extreme polarised view is some kind of betrayal. A functioning country lies in the compromise that exists in the grey areas between extremes though, and the fact there's very few occupying that area - and the ones that do, like Dominic Grieve, are called traitors - should worry everyone.

 

[shingle]

Labour polls already improving in course of just a few days
Bookies odds moving fast in reponse
Brexit party look like they will be undermining Tories
Remain alliance now agreed to ensure Lib Dems/Greens/Independents/Plaid cooperate, mainly at the expense of Tories

And for all Corbyn is talked about as 'unelectable' he never did this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MUwBEJRwk

mmm.... for those that live in the real world, these are the latest odds from oddschecker showing conservatives odd shortening and labours drifting.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/most-seats


Christ, I'd love Boris to come to an understanding with Nige and together annihilate Corbin's Labour, it would be the stuff of dreams.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Ugh. Nicola Sturgeon YELLING ; “We’ll debate with you or both of you ANYTIME, ANYWHERE”...

Such hideous rhetoric across all parties. And it’s because of the feelings and need for loud, shouty, “we will fix this” sentiment that Brexit has propagated.
She sounded like ****ing Hitler today. All buying into the need to appeal to the base emotions.

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She really is a nasty piece of work isn't she.

'Scotland voted remain' is her favourite line, but she fails to mention the following:

Scots voting for SNP in 2017: 977,569

Scots voting to leave the EU in 2016: 1,018,322

 

[pb21]

Which polls are you looking at out of interest?

This is my go-to for recent polls - http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/ - and checking the recent numbers against the previous polls taken by each polling organisation shows either a widening Tory lead or, at best for Labour, no change.

I've just had a look at odds on Betfair, implied chance of a Labour majority has moved very fast recently, skyrocketing from ~5% to ~6%.

 

[highflyer]

Which polls are you looking at out of interest?

This is my go-to for recent polls - http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/ - and checking the recent numbers against the previous polls taken by each polling organisation shows either a widening Tory lead or, at best for Labour, no change.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...n-support-and-remain-electoral-pact-0nbttwvwd

Very early days of course.

 

[vegster]

She really is a nasty piece of work isn't she.

'Scotland voted remain' is her favourite line, but she fails to mention the following:

Scots voting for SNP in 2017: 977,569

Scots voting to leave the EU in 2016: 1,018,322

Sturgeon is not that bad really in todays politics given the characters involved at the moment. As for the SNP's calls for independence, much has changed since the first referendum that was held and I can't blame them for forcing the issue at this point in time

. I think that Labour and the Tories could be wiped out in Scotland and apart from 2-3 Lib-Dems there could well be a huge majority for the SNP which they say will give them the mandate for a second referendum.

 

[kemptown kid]

mmm.... for those that live in the real world, these are the latest odds from oddschecker showing conservatives odd shortening and labours drifting.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/most-seats


Christ, I'd love Boris to come to an understanding with Nige and together annihilate Corbin's Labour, it would be the stuff of dreams.

Please tell us more about the understanding between 'Nige' and 'Boris' of which you dream. Sounds like a grim nightmare to me.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

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It's quite easy to build a perception when you ignore the facts arguing the opposite.

Somewhere, buried by the right wing media, is a BBC article which says:

"A network of Jewish Labour members has backed Jeremy Corbyn over claims the party has become "institutionally anti-Semitic" under his leadership.

Some 200 Labour supporters signed a Jewish Voice for Labour letter calling Mr Corbyn's party a "crucial ally in the fight against bigotry"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47322921

One must therefore conclude that if Corbyn was anti-semetic, this letter would never have been written, would never have been signed by 200 Jews and Corbyn/Labour would surely have lost all Jewish support. They haven't.

It's just become a stick to beat him with now. It's one of those things, where if you say it enough, it somehow becomes "fact". But it is not a fact. You will find most of the accusers of antisemitism are usually pro Israel regime. But that is a whole different debate entirely.

The Jewish Labour Movement – which has 2,000 members and has been affiliated for almost a century – voted to describe the party as “institutionally antisemitic”. A motion expressing no confidence in Corbyn and describing him as being unfit to lead the country was also passed unanimously after speeches by figures including the Labour MPs Ruth Smeeth, Louise Ellman and Margaret Hodge, who have clashed with the leader on the issue of antisemitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ds-antisemitism-response-after-documents-leak

One must, therefore, conclude that Labour has a serious ongoing antisemitism problem or these votes wouldn't have taken place.

Blaming the 'right-wing' media or pro Israel/Zionist conspiracies is just another example of Corbyn's blinkered followers prioritising defending the dear leader over tackling the poison of antisemitism.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I always believed you have to make assumptions based on the best information available at the time. A bit like this





Because invariably I am

Sorry

So you agree that assuming makes an ass of you !

 

[Bold Seagull]

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The Jewish Labour Movement – which has 2,000 members and has been affiliated for almost a century – voted to describe the party as “institutionally antisemitic”. A motion expressing no confidence in Corbyn and describing him as being unfit to lead the country was also passed unanimously after speeches by figures including the Labour MPs Ruth Smeeth, Louise Ellman and Margaret Hodge, who have clashed with the leader on the issue of antisemitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ds-antisemitism-response-after-documents-leak

One must, therefore, conclude that Labour has a serious ongoing antisemitism problem or these votes wouldn't have taken place.

Blaming the 'right-wing' media or pro Israel/Zionist conspiracies is just another example of Corbyn's blinkered followers prioritising defending the dear leader over tackling the poison of antisemitism.

Given you'll likely post this every other day between now and the election, thought I'd take your own blinkers off to there being more to some of these issues than you realise. As an example, The Jewish Voice for Labour, Jews for Justice for Palestinians, Jewish Socialists' Group, Jewdas and Independent Jewish Voices, all of whom have said that accusations of antisemitism against the Labour Party have a twofold purpose: firstly, to conflate antisemitism with criticism of Israel in order to deter such criticism and, secondly, to undermine the Labour leadership since Corbyn was elected leader in 2015.

The Jewish Labour Movement was largely dormant and inactive until the leadership race in 2015. You might want to glance over an article in the Monthly review to balance your current reading. https://mronline.org/2019/04/29/jewish-labour-movement-was-revived-to-deal-with-corbyn/

 

[vegster]

Given you'll likely post this every other day between now and the election, thought I'd take your own blinkers off to there being more to some of these issues than you realise. As an example, The Jewish Voice for Labour, Jews for Justice for Palestinians, Jewish Socialists' Group, Jewdas and Independent Jewish Voices, all of whom have said that accusations of antisemitism against the Labour Party have a twofold purpose: firstly, to conflate antisemitism with criticism of Israel in order to deter such criticism and, secondly, to undermine the Labour leadership since Corbyn was elected leader in 2015.

The Jewish Labour Movement was largely dormant and inactive until the leadership race in 2015. You might want to glance over an article in the Monthly review to balance your current reading. https://mronline.org/2019/04/29/jewish-labour-movement-was-revived-to-deal-with-corbyn/

I fully expect lots more mud to be thrown from all directions at Corbyn and McDonnell when The Stun, Torygraph and Daily Hate really get going. Powerful figures and organisations really don't want to pay what they owe so Johnson's previous charge sheet plus all the other skeletons he has rattling around will be overlooked and avoided at all costs. People will be told not to trust Corbyn despite Johnson's proven list of lies, deceit and Islamophobia , sadly, many will fall for it.

 

[theonlymikey]

Exactly my point. Wilfully ignoring the evidence to the contrary is a quite.simply pathetic.

I have had the ability to look at the arguments from both sides. Pro Israel Jews call Corbyn an antisemite. Most othrr Jews say he isn't an antisemite.

Now, I wonder what it could possibly be about Jeremy Corbyns views on Israel & Palestine that causew pro Israel Jews to call him an antisemite. Hmm, what could it be? Stumped.....



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[WATFORD zero]

So you agree that assuming makes an ass of you !

Well it certainly appears that someone has made an ass of themselves

Here was your prediction a couple of months before the 31st March LEAVE means LEAVE date.

I'm obviously no expert but I think there only two options and each has a 50% chance of happening :

1. May gets her deal through Parliament with some fudge wording from the EU about the backstop and some bullying of back benchers

2. We leave by default with no deal

This utterly daft idea of another referendum or 'Peoples Vote' is dead.

and a month before

Ah ..... the small businessman with an unbelievable knowledge of WTO is back. OK, so to do what you always do - I suggest you look at my previous posts to find out where I think things could have been handled differently. 23 days to the no deal you absolutely promise won't happen

I wonder if you want to make another prediction for this 31st October one. I know where you can borrow a crystal ball as she says she doesn't need it because the options haven't changed

Impossible to make a prediction without knowing who the PM will be.

My good friend says she will make some completely impossible predictions then

1. Boris will get elected
2. He will try and 'rebrand' May's deal
3. We won't leave with 'no deal' on October 31st

(I guess that being proven correct with all her previous predictions on what would happen on every 'LEAVE means LEAVE' date so far, may have given her a completely unjustified level of confidence - we will see )

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I think that's what is known in common parlance as a hat trick

Time for dinner (And try not to embarrass yourself again while i'm out)

 

[Bodian]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/oct/31/uk-general-election-2019-poll-tracker

More up to date poll-tracker than the ones mentioned so far. Seems to show that both Tory & Labour shares have increased, with the gap between them narrowing slightly (not much though).

 

[The Clamp]

She really is a nasty piece of work isn't she.

'Scotland voted remain' is her favourite line, but she fails to mention the following:

Scots voting for SNP in 2017: 977,569

Scots voting to leave the EU in 2016: 1,018,322

She is okay. I was more bemoaning the general state of political debate since the referendum. People assume that just because Boris, Farage and their followers are loud, confrontational and bombastic that that is what is required. It’s not. We need a calm, collected and sensible leader who inspires rational thought. Not rabble rousing oafs who will sink to anything to get people to agree with them.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No. 10 refuses to allow the report into Rusdian interference in the elections, until after the December general election.

What have they got to hide?

 

[The Clamp]

No. 10 refuses to allow the report into Rusdian interference in the elections, until after the December general election.

What have they got to hide?

So dodgy but nothing will come of this. It’ll be quietly hushed up and popped into the neighbour’s bin.

 

[warmleyseagull]

Pro Israel Jews call Corbyn an antisemite. Most othrr Jews say he isn't an antisemite.

Examples?

 

[Hugo Rune]

I’ve noticed that Bojo the clown will come up against Labour’s Ali Milani (he was on Newsnight last night) if he is not moved off the front line to a safe seat.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....his-hands-could-uxbridge-unseat-boris-johnson

I’ve attended a number of events with the impressive Ali speaking/chairing at and I’m pretty sure he can take Bojo out, especially if the Lib Dem’s & Greens pull their candidates.

News of Bojo running scared to a safe seat should be with us soon, if not, bet on Ali to win, you won’t regret it!

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

No. 10 refuses to allow the report into Rusdian interference in the elections, until after the December general election.

What have they got to hide?

If they haven't got anything to hide, GCHQ and MI5 are not doing their jobs properly - or have been silenced.