[Politics] The General Election Thread

[nicko31]

This truly worries me. No government is above the law. Johnson will do what he wants and nobody would be able to challenge him. In other words, a dictatorship.

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I've said it on here before and I'll say it again. If we lets these crooks get away with Brexit they can get away with anything...

 

[Weststander]

A depressing, bitchy thread. Even the formerly open-minded have evolved into one side, or the other, of the political chasm are the baddies, the other side absolutely marvellous for the UK. The intelligent work of the IFS dissecting the Labour and Conservative sums as not credible, completely ignored.

 

[Hamilton]

Not sure the people of Iraq would agree with you, or the veterans who were lucky enough to come back unscathed and not disfigured or suffering from mental health issues that now burden the NHS and homeless numbers.

New Labour rode on the back of Tory policy and success, people are now only just working that out.

Blair was a fraud, he was as far removed from what labour means to the working man than can be possible.

But that's not true is it.

Tax Credits were not introduced by the Tories, they were opposed by the Tories
The minimum wage was also bought in under the Blair government
Hospital waiting lists were reduced under Labour because of Labour policies.

This is not to say that Major was not introducing some ideas that Labour then pushed through. And this is the nub of the issue. We are so focused on this colour is good and this colour is bad that we forget to focus on the outcomes that we want. It's not that simple.

Blair was not a fraud, he was a very good PM until he made the massive mistake that was Iraq.

That said, the same bleeding heart liberals who were baying for someone to do something about Saddam are now the same people calling Blair a war criminal. He went to war on the wrong pretext, the troops were not ready and not all paths had been exhausted. He made an error of judgment that cost lives.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

this old straw man. the accusation is Brown had planned too much spending, without consideration for the economic cycle, so was over extended when a crash occured. Brown thought he'd performed economic alchemy and nothing bad would happen. it doesnt matter what another party may or may not have done, his policies gave us a growing deficit before the 2008 crash.


barking up the wrong tree, there are no such EU regulations, and a lot of the credit default swaps were/are on Euro denominated bonds, and some of the EU members are bricking it if there were another shock.

what taxes would we like to see rise or spending cut to start lowering the debt?

bear in mind the generous Labour manifesto plans to find £80bn from taxes and spend it all, while promising to add £650bn. are we in favour of debt reduction?

Wasting your time I'm afraid there is no consistency or logic to their arguments ... it's all getting rather desperate as judgement day draws closer. Personally, I'm really looking forward to reading numerous pretentious/abusive lectures about how anyone could not think it a good idea to put Jeremy Corbyn in No 10 IF the Tories get a majority. It will be epic ...

 

[Hamilton]

If you believe this you are in for a shock

Boris has been proved to be a liar time and time again and is still going to stroll into number 10

People don’t can’t he is a liar.

That is what is so worrying nowadays. People don't care that he is an untrustworthy liar.

 

[The Clamp]

That is what is so worrying nowadays. People don't care that he is an untrustworthy liar.

Leavers simply don’t care. As long as the Tory nuts keep repeating that they’ll make Brexit happen, they’ll hold onto power.
They will win the election. I’ve no doubt about that.
Britain is sunk.

 

[BensGrandad]

That is what is so worrying nowadays. People don't care that he is an untrustworthy liar.

Isnt that the view that a lot of people have of most politicians. They look after themselves first irrespective of their party.

 

[nicko31]

what taxes would we like to see rise or spending cut to start lowering the debt?

Here's a start...

Internet sales tax 2.5%
Property wealth tax 1% p.a (phase in over a parliament)
Scrap HS2
Green taxes on frequent flyers and commercial air freight

 

[BensGrandad]

Leavers simply don’t care. As long as the Tory nuts keep repeating that they’ll make Brexit happen, they’ll hold onto power.
They will win the election. I’ve no doubt about that.
Britain is sunk.

Either way you need the largest party to have an overall majority to be able to do what they say in parliament and then judge them, unlike the last situation of parliament holding the balance of power irrespective of the PM and governing party's wishes.

 

[Guinness Boy]

But that's not true is it.

Tax Credits were not introduced by the Tories, they were opposed by the Tories
The minimum wage was also bought in under the Blair government
Hospital waiting lists were reduced under Labour because of Labour policies.

This is not to say that Major was not introducing some ideas that Labour then pushed through. And this is the nub of the issue. We are so focused on this colour is good and this colour is bad that we forget to focus on the outcomes that we want. It's not that simple.

Blair was not a fraud, he was a very good PM until he made the massive mistake that was Iraq.

That said, the same bleeding heart liberals who were baying for someone to do something about Saddam are now the same people calling Blair a war criminal. He went to war on the wrong pretext, the troops were not ready and not all paths had been exhausted. He made an error of judgment that cost lives.

Indeed. Very good post.


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[beorhthelm]

Here's a start...

Internet sales tax 2.5%
Property wealth tax 1% p.a (phase in over a parliament)
Scrap HS2
Green taxes on frequent flyers and commercial air freight

good start, i could find fault but its an attempt. dont you think Labour might have been better to use some of their tax rise to reduce the debt if we are concerned about it?

a general question, why is it always "frequent" flyers to get taxed? why not all flying, and how to control, would we have a non-transferable "1 flight" token sent to us?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Digging up things he said from 2 years ago............

The psychological torment of rejection manifests itself in many forms, but I didn't realise someone from Faversham on the internet you don't know putting you on ignore had caused so much for you.

From this I infer...that I made the right move

 

[nicko31]

good start, i could find fault but its an attempt.

a general question, why is it always "frequent" flyers to get taxed? why not all flying, and how to control, would we have a non-transferable "1 flight" token sent to us?

I'm sure there are faults, my property tax idea is actually from the US where it is applied in many States

Regarding flights, don't want to hit the family having 2 weeks in Spain, more for the commuter or constant weekend tripper. Maybe tokens could be traded, curbs the growth in leisure air travel. more road traffic etc

We need to be economically and environmentally sustainable and put money back into communities

 

[The Clamp]

Either way you need the largest party to have an overall majority to be able to do what they say in parliament and then judge them, unlike the last situation of parliament holding the balance of power irrespective of the PM and governing party's wishes.

Parliament was the only thing that saved our bacon from Johnson’s tyranny back in October. A Tory majority or even the sneaky changes to the law that Boris is trying to slip in under the radar as part of his manifesto will see this country in dire straits.
I predict the worst.

 

[nicko31]

A depressing, bitchy thread. Even the formerly open-minded have evolved into one side, or the other, of the political chasm are the baddies, the other side absolutely marvellous for the UK. The intelligent work of the IFS dissecting the Labour and Conservative sums as not credible, completely ignored.

Didn't mention this, only the Lib Dems come close to being credible, but some are obsessed whether JC watches the Queen speech live or on Iplayer...

 

[Wardy's twin]

They clearly tried to misrepresent themselves and their intentions. Did they outright say “50,000 new nurses”? I’m not sure. Did they try to make out they were recruiting 50,000 new nurses? Yes.

It’s a lie. Whether it comes in the form of trying to create the impression of 50,000 new nurses or whether they said it outright. It’s a lie.

IMO to make out they were tying to do anything else is at best naive and at worst, bullshit

pretty sure on question time the Tory person did try to explain that 'retaining' 19k nurses meant that they could be considered new.......

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Your gibberish won’t change the figures.

An unusually coherent post from you.

I suppose I was asking a bit much of you two, I get it, you are both 'In box' type of guys.

 

[The Clamp]

pretty sure on question time the Tory person did try to explain that 'retaining' 19k nurses meant that they could be considered new.......

I’ve seen a few of them bumble through the spiel in a deliberately ambiguous fashion but I think you’re right.

 

[The Clamp]

I suppose I was asking a bit much of you two, I get it, you are both 'In box' type of guys.

I’ll hold my hands up, I did not understand your post.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Says the clown from the Soviet Socialist Republic of Plymouth,who thinks Swinson and Abbott are marvelous because they have big breasts..What a Chopper!

Nice try sonny, but yet again every thing you have said is totally wrong, I am not left wing, the rest was meant as a joke, you know, sense of humour, something you are totally devoid of (as well as any intelligence)
You are scraping around for a reason to have a pop and yet again you fail, you really are a stupid little man.
And I'm not even from Plymouth, I'm from Royal Tunbridge Wells, via Ascot, you probably have bin liners for curtains.
Pillock!