Stadium application and car park application recommended for approval

[The Large One]

Getting close now, planning decision on AMEX II next Wednesday !

Do we know when the training ground application gets decided?

Target date - 11 May.

Same day as the REMF match.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Those parking in residential areas are currently costing the club £80,000 a year in fines.

The club are going to pay my parking fine? That's brilliant news. I'll send it in straightaway.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

What page is this on?!

P54 near the bottom.

 

[Notters]

P54 near the bottom.

Thanks. That seems ridiculous, given that no-one is doing anything illegal*

*Except those that are, of course, who can f*** off.

 

[Notters]

Also:

The impact of the displaced parking in both
areas has given rise to significant disruption and disturbance to the residents
which is considered to have caused demonstrable harm to neighbouring
amenity and ease of movement.

Surely there are far more people who are either not bothered, or delighted to be living near the stadium. Why should the offended/minorly incovenienced minority always get their way?

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Those parking in residential areas are currently costing the club £80,000 a year in fines.

Without wading through the report, How does this work? Are the club seriously getting charged for people parking legally in Moulsecoombe or Coldean or is this in relation to something else?

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Without wading through the report, How does this work? Are the club seriously getting charged for people parking legally in Moulsecoombe or Coldean or is this in relation to something else?

A clause in the existing s106 relating to monitoring of spectator traffic set out
a requirement for monitoring of parking levels within Moulsecoomb on both
match days and non match days, during the week and at weekends to
ascertain the level of displaced parking. The agreement requires that
independent traffic surveys are carried out, the results of which are reported
to the Club and Brighton & Hove Highway Authority. A threshold of a 10%
increase in parked vehicles on match days compared to non match days was
also imposed. At the end of each the season the parking counts are to be
scrutinised to ascertain the % increase in parked vehicles on match days
when compared with non match days, a penalty clause of £5,000 is sought for 10% increase and a further £5,000 per percentage point increase beyond
10%. The funds are then proposed to be put towards the cost of implementing a Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) in this area.


The stadium is yet to be in operation for a full season however a number of
parking surveys have been carried out and based on the information received,
a penalty clause of approximately £75,000 is likely to be sought at the end of
the season if the Club were to continue operations under the current approval.

 

[The Large One]

One person's objection...

"2 years ago some crowds were less than 5000. After the excitement has worn off expanded stadium will be 5 times bigger than needed...."

"Match tickets should include the cost of travel on sustainable modes..."

"There have been increased incidences of crime since the stadium opened..."

 

[The Large One]

That report indicates that here are just under 1,300 vehicles in this area on a non-matchday.

Increase the parking in that area on matchday by 130 cars, and the club receives a £5,000 fine. Then another £5,000 fine for every 13 additional cars parked.

I don't think that's per match - more an average over the season.

But still... ouch.

 

[The Birdman]

a clause in the existing s106 relating to monitoring of spectator traffic set out
a requirement for monitoring of parking levels within moulsecoomb on both
match days and non match days, during the week and at weekends to
ascertain the level of displaced parking. The agreement requires that
independent traffic surveys are carried out, the results of which are reported
to the club and brighton & hove highway authority. A threshold of a 10%
increase in parked vehicles on match days compared to non match days was
also imposed. At the end of each the season the parking counts are to be
scrutinised to ascertain the % increase in parked vehicles on match days
when compared with non match days, a penalty clause of £5,000 is sought for 10% increase and a further £5,000 per percentage point increase beyond
10%. The funds are then proposed to be put towards the cost of implementing a controlled parking zone (cpz) in this area.


The stadium is yet to be in operation for a full season however a number of
parking surveys have been carried out and based on the information received,
a penalty clause of approximately £75,000 is likely to be sought at the end of
the season if the club were to continue operations under the current approval.

so the £30 travel tax goes towards this?

 

[The Large One]

so the £30 travel tax goes towards this?

It goes into the one big pot that the club is forking out from at present.

The cost of running that transport scheme has cost 'well into seven figures' this season.

 

[The Birdman]

it goes into the one big pot that the club is forking out from at present.

The cost of running that transport scheme has cost 'well into seven figures' this season.

Will all these figures be available to the general public?

 

[The Large One]

Will all these figures be available to the general public?

Wait until the club accounts come out, I suppose. Sometime in summer next year.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

That report indicates that here are just under 1,300 vehicles in this area on a non-matchday.

Increase the parking in that area on matchday by 130 cars, and the club receives a £5,000 fine. Then another £5,000 fine for every 13 additional cars parked.

I don't think that's per match - more an average over the season.

But still... ouch.

I don't have time to read the reports atm but are these 1300 non matchday vehicles just in Moulsecoomb, or in Coldean as well?

 

[Notters]

A clause in the existing s106 relating to monitoring of spectator traffic set out
a requirement for monitoring of parking levels within Moulsecoomb on both
match days and non match days, during the week and at weekends to
ascertain the level of displaced parking. The agreement requires that
independent traffic surveys are carried out, the results of which are reported
to the Club and Brighton & Hove Highway Authority. A threshold of a 10%
increase in parked vehicles on match days compared to non match days was
also imposed. At the end of each the season the parking counts are to be
scrutinised to ascertain the % increase in parked vehicles on match days
when compared with non match days, a penalty clause of £5,000 is sought for 10% increase and a further £5,000 per percentage point increase beyond
10%. The funds are then proposed to be put towards the cost of implementing a Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) in this area.


The stadium is yet to be in operation for a full season however a number of
parking surveys have been carried out and based on the information received,
a penalty clause of approximately £75,000 is likely to be sought at the end of
the season if the Club were to continue operations under the current approval.

...and these figures include off road parking. I.e. if you park on a mate's driveway in Moulsecoomb. Ridiculous. The parking situation isn't even bad there, except in Lucraft road.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Will all these figures be available to the general public?

That's up to the club. There might be something in this year's* annual accounts but these don't need to be filed at Companies House until March 2013.

*ie financial year ending 30 June 2012.

 

[Notters]

One person's objection...

"2 years ago some crowds were less than 5000. After the excitement has worn off expanded stadium will be 5 times bigger than needed...."

"Match tickets should include the cost of travel on sustainable modes..."

"There have been increased incidences of crime since the stadium opened..."

What about: "Getting to and from stadium is a nightmare. Wait ages for special bus,
missed start of games and one game altogether. (Long time season ticket
holder)"

What sort STH wants the capacity limited?!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That's up to the club. There might be something in this year's* annual accounts but these don't need to be filed at Companies House until March 2013.

*ie financial year ending 30 June 2012.

Are you able to choose your tax year? I wonder if the club have a different tax year which ties in with the football season?

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Ones that have missed the start of games from perceived or real problems with the transport system.

 

[The Birdman]

That's up to the club. There might be something in this year's* annual accounts but these don't need to be filed at Companies House until March 2013.

*ie financial year ending 30 June 2012.

So we are to be taxed half a million quid to fund parking stewards and cones?
All of this because of the selfish few,why not just fine the dozy parkers?