Some hard truths for the UKIP supporters...

[The Spanish]

Would you prefer a link to the Daily Mail?

the daily mail!

*bingo pen hovers over the phrase 'Little Englander' excitedly*

 

[The Spanish]

Would you prefer a link to the Daily Mail?

i would prefer a link to a funny article. by lee's standards that is very very poor. he is not a great columnist. excellent performer but he is no clarkson in print no matter how much the guardian want him to be theirs.

 

[jakarta]

I think it is right to point out UKIP's very right wing other policies.
but in truth they are a one policy party exiting the EU
and many on the left including me share that policy
how to tackle UKIP ?
have an in out referendum and they will fade into history

Which is what Call Me Dave is offering and Mr Bean isn't - a tough one eh?

 

[Kevlar]

Which is what Call Me Dave is offering and Mr Bean isn't - a tough one eh?

well as I said I am from the left and there is more than one reason to vote
i feel quite ill putting my x against labour because they are far too much
like the Tories for me .put my x for a Tory and I might spontaneously combust!
in the euro elections I will be voting green they too want an in out referendum.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

well as I said I am from the left and there is more than one reason to vote
i feel quite ill putting my x against labour because they are far too much
like the Tories for me .put my x for a Tory and I might spontaneously combust!
in the euro elections I will be voting green they too want an in out referendum.

I don't feel Labour are like the Tories, I just feel like Labour are a bunch of wimps who rolled over when in power, and didn't care for this country.
Labour like to tell us all what to do and treat us like little Children. They started this rot which coincided with the crash and ever since this country has never been the same, It's why I will never vote for them again. My whole family where Labour voters. UKIP will get my vote from now on, unless things change. They need to stop blaming everyone else, and admit and accept that what they did has buggered up this country. Stop painting the Tories as only caring for the rich and look on their own doorsteps. These are old Labour arguments that easily used to win them elections, that's now changed and it's time to get with the programme on other issues that are bugging people.

 

[Kevlar]

I don't feel Labour are like the Tories, I just feel like Labour are a bunch of wimps who rolled over when in power, and didn't care for this country.
Labour like to tell us all what to do and treat us like little Children. They started this rot which coincided with the crash and ever since this country has never been the same, It's why I will never vote for them again. My whole family where Labour voters. UKIP will get my vote from now on, unless things change. They need to stop blaming everyone else, and admit and accept that what they did has buggered up this country. Stop painting the Tories as only caring for the rich and look on their own people. These are old Labour arguments that used to win them elections, that's now changed and it's time to get with the programme.

well there was a global financial crisis in 2008 when failure to be able to cash in financial derivative products in the USA
brought down lehmans bank and without worldwide government bailouts would have brought down many more.
personally I didn't support financial deregulation this is exactly the type of issue where I see labour
as no different than the Tories.Financial deregulation was a Tory idea which labour followed.
But I would not blame the Tories for the global financial crisis let alone labour it was not them
which ran a financial casino which took more bets than it could cover. but the belief( for that is what it is)
that unregulated markets would work in the interest of the majority was the mantra of thatcher and Reagan
which mr Blair bought into I never once voted for that Tory in disguise

 

[Deleted member 22389]

well there was a global financial crisis in 2008 when failure to be able to cash in financial derivative products in the USA
brought down lehmans bank and without worldwide government bailouts would have brought down many more.
personally I didn't support financial deregulation this is exactly the type of issue where I see labour
as no different than the Tories.Financial deregulation was a Tory idea which labour followed.
But I would not blame the Tories for the global financial crisis let alone labour it was not them
which ran a financial casino which took more bets than it could cover. but the belief( for that is what it is)
that unregulated markets would work in the interest of the majority was the mantra of thatcher and Reagan
which mr Blair bought into I never once voted for that Tory in disguise

Honestly when Blair arrived on the scene it was something new. He made the Tories look old and tired and it was time for change. Little did we know what he and his government had install for us. Labour have just gone from bad to worse and the thing is when you piss your voters off in the way they did it is very very hard to get them back. There are many Labour voters who have said no more. They feel like you, don't feel that their are any other choices. In your case your going for Greens, in other peoples cases there going for UKIP.

 

[Acker79]

Rather than start a new thread...

A quote guessing game UKIP or Fascist (or other)
http://www.remarkably.com/ukip-fascist/

 

[pastafarian]

UKIP are the equivalent of the Tea Party in the USA. They appeal to a demographic that contains some/ all of being older, socially conservative (anti immigration, gay marriage, abortion, climate change etc) and poorly educated. These people are more easily swayed by a demonisation agenda and are entitled to vote UKIP because the alternatives from the mainstream parties aren't attractive to them.

You are being far to simplistic here,you forgot to mention the most common factor regarding Tea Party members,they are mostly christian and super uber religious,their agenda on gay marriage and abortion are based purely on religious grounds,their views on climate change are tainted by their views(rightly or wrongly) that the resulting laws involve too much government involvement.....which they hate,and as for anti immigration i thought they were against illegal immigration not anti immigration and for a massive crackdown on communities where illegal immigration had been allowed to flourish(notably the mexicans) not against immigration per say.UKIP has about as much in common with The Tea Party as Milliband does with Scargill.

But here is the main problem we now have in this country,people like you simply dismiss people that wish to vote UKIP as "poorly educated".....this is the view point of the utterly patronising. It is this viewpoint along with previous Labour and Tory policies on Europe that has led to the rise of UKIP.

We are almost at a point now the negatives people are throwing at UKIP,alongside the refusal to debate with them (apart from Clegg) is just having a negative effect and causing more support.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I find it amazing the constant piss taking, name calling that people have had to put up with because they support UKIP. I repeat, I wish people would look at the bigger picture, and see what is really happening in the EU, not just the economy but also the issues around illegal immigration. What is happening here will effect us all eventually. Why is the EU not doing more to stop these people leaving their countries, work with these countries outside the EU to control the borders. The EU gets paid enough money in membership fees don't they, and where is the hundreds of millions we send in foreign aid every year going.

Laugh and name call all you like, but what UKIP says make sense. The door is open to hundreds of millions of people. Look at the stories below. You have to feel sorry for these people, but the EU can't keep going on like this, we can't keep going on like this, especially if the end result is more and more people come here.


http://www.independent.com.mt/artic...itate-migrant-flood-toward-europe-4941283328/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trying-Europe-says-HELP-unless-gets-aid.html

 

[The Birdman]

Here we go again another person leaving UKIP I am not saying anything as I will be accused of saying it as an election is coming up.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

I find it amazing the constant piss taking, name calling that people have had to put up with because they support UKIP. I repeat, I wish people would look at the bigger picture, and see what is really happening in the EU, not just the economy but also the issues around illegal immigration. What is happening here will effect us all eventually. Why is the EU not doing more to stop these people leaving their countries, work with these countries outside the EU to control the borders. The EU gets paid enough money in membership fees don't they, and where is the hundreds of millions we send in foreign aid every year going.

Laugh and name call all you like, but what UKIP says make sense. The door is open to hundreds of millions of people. Look at the stories below. You have to feel sorry for these people, but the EU can't keep going on like this, we can't keep going on like this, especially if the end result is more and more people come here.


http://www.independent.com.mt/artic...itate-migrant-flood-toward-europe-4941283328/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trying-Europe-says-HELP-unless-gets-aid.html

Bash knows the score...I agree with him.
Immigrant...the right to claim asylum in the FIRST free country he lands in...not trudge thousands of miles to get to the land of council house and Benefits. If they can support themselves no problem with that...health benefit tourism ought to be stopped as well. After a serious operation I had in the bed next to me some middle east guy who insisted on calling on Allah to save him at 1 in the morning in a very loud voice. Await the comments of little Englander...hey that's not so bad...my country first.
But to me it is more about the EU and what it cost..£165billion a year for what? Trade...right we import MORE than we export to the EU and the EU has never written off it's accounts...too much fiddling somewher. But each to his own,let's wait and see what the European elections bring.

 

[Hamilton]

I find it amazing the constant piss taking, name calling that people have had to put up with because they support UKIP. I repeat, I wish people would look at the bigger picture, and see what is really happening in the EU, not just the economy but also the issues around illegal immigration. What is happening here will effect us all eventually. Why is the EU not doing more to stop these people leaving their countries, work with these countries outside the EU to control the borders. The EU gets paid enough money in membership fees don't they, and where is the hundreds of millions we send in foreign aid every year going.

Laugh and name call all you like, but what UKIP says make sense. The door is open to hundreds of millions of people. Look at the stories below. You have to feel sorry for these people, but the EU can't keep going on like this, we can't keep going on like this, especially if the end result is more and more people come here.


http://www.independent.com.mt/artic...itate-migrant-flood-toward-europe-4941283328/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trying-Europe-says-HELP-unless-gets-aid.html

Have you seen the size of the border? Of course the door is open.

It's not like the States where you have Canada to the north and one heavily guarded border with Mexico to the south.

It's not like Australia where they are many miles from anyone.

Getting all hoity toity with the EU won't change a thing when it comes to poor people searching for work crossing borders. They're not coming for the benefits. They're coming for work.

 

[User removed 4]

Have you seen the size of the border? Of course the door is open.

It's not like the States where you have Canada to the north and one heavily guarded border with Mexico to the south.

It's not like Australia where they are many miles from anyone.

Getting all hoity toity with the EU won't change a thing when it comes to poor people searching for work crossing borders. They're not coming for the benefits. They're coming for work.

I've seen our border , how many illegals turned up in a ramshackle boat on ours ? It'd be the only way in if we policed our borders properly.

 

[Hamilton]

I've seen our border , how many illegals turned up in a ramshackle boat on ours ? It'd be the only way in if we policed our borders properly.

You've seen the EU border? Wow.

 

[somerset]

They're not coming for the benefits. They're coming for work.

.....or whichever is the greater or easier to obtain....

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Have you seen the size of the border? Of course the door is open.

It's not like the States where you have Canada to the north and one heavily guarded border with Mexico to the south.

It's not like Australia where they are many miles from anyone.

Getting all hoity toity with the EU won't change a thing when it comes to poor people searching for work crossing borders. They're not coming for the benefits. They're coming for work.

Have you considered the fact that there are actually no jobs in Southern Europe for these people to go to in the first place, and most people end up being even poorer. Tell me what is the correct way here, making sure they don't come here, or dangling a golden carrot only to be let down. Making sure they don't come here, that is far more sensible in the current situation. There are not enough jobs, homes and resources in the EU to take everyone.

You need to get hoity toity about the EU, because at the end of the day they are the ones responsible for driving immigration. They are the ones who have the power and the money to work with countries outside the EU to stop these people making these dangerous journeys. Obviously we are not at the stage yet where we have people knocking on our doors asking for money, because that is the reality of the situation in some parts of the EU.

http://www.debatingeurope.eu/2013/1...europe-over-illegal-immigration/#.U3Mec4ZHfwo
http://www.worldbulletin.net/todays-news/135939/migrants-in-italy-tell-others-dont-come

 

[goldstone]

There are also a lot of "hard truths" for supporters of the Conservatives, Labour, and Liberal Democrats to digest. That's politics.

 

[Czechmate]

There are also a lot of "hard truths" for supporters of the Conservatives, Labour, and Liberal Democrats to digest. That's politics.

Well said sir ! And I am one of them but going to vote UKIP .

 

[Hamilton]

Have you considered the fact that there are actually no jobs in Southern Europe for these people to go to in the first place, and most people end up being even poorer. Tell me what is the correct way here, making sure they don't come here, or dangling a golden carrot only to be let down. Making sure they don't come here, that is far more sensible in the current situation. There are not enough jobs, homes and resources in the EU to take everyone.

You need to get hoity toity about the EU, because at the end of the day they are the ones responsible for driving immigration. They are the ones who have the power and the money to work with countries outside the EU to stop these people making these dangerous journeys. Obviously we are not at the stage yet where we have people knocking on our doors asking for money, because that is the reality of the situation in some parts of the EU.

http://www.debatingeurope.eu/2013/1...europe-over-illegal-immigration/#.U3Mec4ZHfwo
http://www.worldbulletin.net/todays-news/135939/migrants-in-italy-tell-others-dont-come

Yes, 37% of people in parts of southern spain are without work. That is a problem for all of us. Now, shall we fix it together?