I'd agree with you if teachers were on a minimum wage, crap pension and 20 days holiday a year but their conditions are actually very good so asking them to put more to their pensions shouldn't affect their teaching.
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Public 'Service' Unions to go on strike.
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I'd agree with you if teachers were on a minimum wage, crap pension and 20 days holiday a year but their conditions are actually very good so asking them to put more to their pensions shouldn't affect their teaching.
If "EVERYONE" is educated to a high standard it will be worthless? I'm not sure I really follow this.
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The PCS ballot result is hardly a ringing endorsement for strike action. 60% voted in favour on a 32% turn out. So less than 1 in five members voted in favour of a strike.
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No, the conditions are NOT very good. When I was an NQT all those years ago, I didn't earn nearly enough to pay back what it cost me to get qualified and pay my rent and bills. I came very close to bankruptcy and had to come to agreements with all my creditors. Yes, once you've been working for a few years the salary goes up, but not by anywhere near as much as similarly qualified professions.
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I didn't say the education would be worthless, I said the qualifications would be. If 5A* to C is the lowest grades anyone has, it's not going to be enough for any job.
We're going to have to disagree as my ex is a teacher and her pay and conditions have always seemed pretty good to me !
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That's not really our concern though is it?
Not fussed about the average wage in the country with a space programme would much rather the money was spent on excellent care for our elderly .
Not about party politics in this country any more,what ever coloured rosette these shysters wear we're gonna get shafted.
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How much does the Indian government spend on Nuclear weapons and their space programme? But never let INCONVENIENT facts get in the way of a cheap soundbite eh ?
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I'm with you on this one. My wife is a teacher and the current starting wage for an NQT (outside of any inner/outer/fringe London weighting) is £21,588. When you take into account the holidays and the brilliant pension those make pretty good conditions IMHO.
Hatterlovesbrighton
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As is my wife and after 6 years employment she'll be on £34k next year. Works hard for it though but does get it back in the holidays.
I was going to say much the same. Our overseas aid DWARFS those of many other Western countries. Take a look at this - it shows overseas aid in billions:
Top Ten Doners Of Foreigner Aid Map
I reckon that puts us top (perhaps with France?) on an overseas aid per head basis.
As a public sector worker I don't like the thought of it, but with a background in economics and accounting unfortunately I have to agree with you. The pensions timebomb would have exploded with or without the financial services crisis and subsequent recession.
I prefer this from same website
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-most-pet-cat-population.html
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What have kebabs got to do with it ?..................gets coat.
The same % of GDP as we spend on ours, much of that spending is on products from UK companies.
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Really , how much do we spend on our space programme ? But thats neither here nor there, it's their choice to spend the money where they wish,we shouldn't be subsidising it.
I'm normally quite sympathetic with public workers, especially as none of the economic mess we find ourselves in is of their making, but if they are striking over pensions then they can jog on.
You don't need a degree in economics to see that pension reform is absolute necessity. We had relatives who retired on final salary teacher pensions at 55. One was 85 when she died, her husband is still around at the same age. That is thirty years that the pension company has paid out. And nowadays the situation is even more urgent. For example, being 60 something is not the same pipe and slippers caper that it was 20 years ago. My dad is 66, and plays on the trampoline with his grandkids, and over the past 5 years has cycled the banks of the Nile, the Great Wall of China and run the great Northern run. On the other hand, his two uncles and dad (my grandpa) had all died by his age.
People need to accept that an aging population needs to pay for itself - and that means working for longer. Retirement age should be 70, IMO, maybe even 71 or 72.
You don't need a degree in economics to see that pension reform is absolute necessity. We had relatives who retired on final salary teacher pensions at 55. One was 85 when she died, her husband is still around at the same age. That is thirty years that the pension company has paid out. And nowadays the situation is even more urgent. For example, being 60 something is not the same pipe and slippers caper that it was 20 years ago. My dad is 66, and plays on the trampoline with his grandkids, and over the past 5 years has cycled the banks of the Nile, the Great Wall of China and run the great Northern run. On the other hand, his two uncles and dad (my grandpa) had all died by his age.
People need to accept that an aging population needs to pay for itself - and that means working for longer. Retirement age should be 70, IMO, maybe even 71 or 72.
I'd want more than £22k to step into a classroom and attempt to educate the masses. It's a difficult, often stressful, and very responsible job which goes well beyond the scope of simply standing in front of kids and teaching them.
I know a number of teachers and know a lot of what goes on, the abuse they have to put up with, the lack of support from parents (this in itself is quite shocking) the rubbish facilities and the long hours. I could not do it but I have a lot of respect for those that choose to. If you want a better society I suggest you support the people that try and make this happen on a daily basis, instead of just seeing 6 weeks holiday in the summer and complaining.
They deserve better, a lot better.
I think a space programme is fair enough as that is an infrastructural investment, but we shouldn't be subsidising *any* nation with a nuclear arsenal IMO.
Subsidising or investing?