beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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no, you said Chelsea were smaller than Wigan and we would be a bigger club than them. one is patently false, the other a day dream.
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Poyet at chelsea
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no, you said Chelsea were smaller than Wigan and we would be a bigger club than them. one is patently false, the other a day dream.
Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Notes
1 Manchester United 42 24 12 6 67 31 +36 84 UEFA Champions League 1993–94 First round
2 Aston Villa 42 21 11 10 57 40 +17 74 UEFA Cup 1993–94 First Round
3 Norwich City 42 21 9 12 61 65 −4 72
4 Blackburn Rovers 42 20 11 11 68 46 +22 71
5 Queens Park Rangers 42 17 12 13 63 55 +8 63
6 Liverpool 42 16 11 15 62 55 +7 59
7 Sheffield Wednesday 42 15 14 13 55 51 +4 59
8 Tottenham Hotspur 42 16 11 15 60 66 −6 59
9 Manchester City 42 15 12 15 56 51 +5 57
10 Arsenal 42 15 11 16 40 38 +2 56 European Cup Winners' Cup 1993–94 First round[A]
11 Chelsea 42 14 14 14 51 54 −3 56
12 Wimbledon 42 14 12 16 56 55 +1 54
13 Everton 42 15 8 19 53 55 −2 53
14 Sheffield United 42 14 10 18 54 53 +1 52
15 Coventry City 42 13 13 16 52 57 −5 52
16 Ipswich Town 42 12 16 14 50 55 −5 52
17 Leeds United 42 12 15 15 57 62 −5 51
18 Southampton 42 13 11 18 54 61 −7 50
19 Oldham Athletic 42 13 10 19 63 74 −11 49
20 Crystal Palace 42 11 16 15 48 61 −13 49 Relegated to Football League First Division 1993–94
21 Middlesbrough 42 11 11 20 54 75 −21 44
22 Nottingham Forest 42 10 10 22 41 62 −21 40
league table just before the russain took over
just above wimbledoe and below norwich if you dont think we are bigger than those two
then ?? well
1 Manchester United 42 24 12 6 67 31 +36 84 UEFA Champions League 1993–94 First round
2 Aston Villa 42 21 11 10 57 40 +17 74 UEFA Cup 1993–94 First Round
3 Norwich City 42 21 9 12 61 65 −4 72
4 Blackburn Rovers 42 20 11 11 68 46 +22 71
5 Queens Park Rangers 42 17 12 13 63 55 +8 63
6 Liverpool 42 16 11 15 62 55 +7 59
7 Sheffield Wednesday 42 15 14 13 55 51 +4 59
8 Tottenham Hotspur 42 16 11 15 60 66 −6 59
9 Manchester City 42 15 12 15 56 51 +5 57
10 Arsenal 42 15 11 16 40 38 +2 56 European Cup Winners' Cup 1993–94 First round[A]
11 Chelsea 42 14 14 14 51 54 −3 56
12 Wimbledon 42 14 12 16 56 55 +1 54
13 Everton 42 15 8 19 53 55 −2 53
14 Sheffield United 42 14 10 18 54 53 +1 52
15 Coventry City 42 13 13 16 52 57 −5 52
16 Ipswich Town 42 12 16 14 50 55 −5 52
17 Leeds United 42 12 15 15 57 62 −5 51
18 Southampton 42 13 11 18 54 61 −7 50
19 Oldham Athletic 42 13 10 19 63 74 −11 49
20 Crystal Palace 42 11 16 15 48 61 −13 49 Relegated to Football League First Division 1993–94
21 Middlesbrough 42 11 11 20 54 75 −21 44
22 Nottingham Forest 42 10 10 22 41 62 −21 40
league table just before the russain took over
just above wimbledoe and below norwich if you dont think we are bigger than those two
then ?? well
as said i cant remeber i was fighting on all fronts
i think i must have meant blackburn my mistake
and i repeat i have never said brighton would be bigger
it al ldepends on what you mean bigger
i did say we could compete with them one day
and of course anything said about the future is a dream
Could we manage a season or two in the Prem? Yes we could, if we get the foundations right (which is what TB has done underwriting the stadium). Realistically we could perhaps become a Wigan or Fulham, or at least a Reading. But there is no guarantee.
As for winning a cup or two? I've seen us at Wembley three times, and would love to go back again before I die. But getting to a cup final would never make us bigger than Chelsea, with or without Abramovic's financial support.
Remember that before he arrived they had also won the FA Cup in 1997 and 2000, and were runners up in 1993 and 2002, and won the league cup in 1998.
As for selling out an expanded 35,000 Falmer, we can't even get 7,000 in Withdean whilst top of the table in League 1, so let's not run before we can walk.
There's nothing wrong with dreaming (ok Cheryl, one more time, but this time only if the wear THAT uniform you filthy tongued Geordie slut.....)
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
'Just before the Russian took over'? He arrived in 2003, NINE YEARS after this league table. You really can't find any decent evidence, can you?
Your logic is so flawed it's unbelievable. In this league table they are also only one place (thanks to goal difference) below Arsenal, who now mostly fill a 60k stadium. According to your logic, Chelsea could do the same. You can't selectively pick a bad Chelsea year, and compare us (and them) to the smallest clubs you can find in the division, without also doing the same with all other clubs.
I agree with you that potentially we could be a mid-table Premiership club. However, that is Chelsea's average position over their entire history; what is ours? If we ever did make it up there, and heaven forbid finish above Chelsea in the league, for us it would be a massive achievement, one of the absolute high points in our entire history. For Chelsea, it would be an average-to-poor year compared to their past. For that reason we'd never be 'on a par' with Chelsea, unless that remained the case for an absolute minimum of ten years.
im not talking about history i have already said that i never meant what they have done what i have been saying take there money away and they were/ are a mid table club who at time finish below clubs like wimbledon
i very much see us as having the potential to be a mid table trendy club
just as chelsea naturaly are and that we could compete with them
now if i had said we could compete with man u arsenal over a time then i would have been stupid but chelsea are not as big a club as some of their fans on here think
Winning the Premiership three times in the last six years, Champions League finalists and doing the double last year suggests otherwise.
And it is silly to disregard Abramovic's funding, it is central to their history, no matter how 'lucky' they were to receive it.
As for us being trendy, never. Brighton never has, and never will be, a 'football' city in the way that Newcastle are for example. It's simply not part of our culture, and there is far more diversity down here.
65th. Immediately above us are Leyton Orient and Port Vale.
*putsonanorakandbobblehat*
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
I just think that you are choosing completely the wrong example to compare us to. Could we finish above them for a couple of seasons? Yes, potentially, if we were lucky. Could we consistently finish above them? No.
If you want to compare us to a Premiership team, I'd think Wigan are the best example. Club with relatively small gates (by Premiership standards) who have had a stadium built for them by a wealthy chairman, and who are now relatively established as a Premiership team. However, they start the season with the aim of avoiding relegation, nothing more than that. We'd need a dramatic improvement in our fiscal situation for anything more than avoiding relegation from the Prem to be our aim.
yes there history i have sad time and time again i can see us competing in the future once he getrs fed up and they go back to being a mid table club
trendy i would disagree i think brighton is a very trendy city
with people from all over wishing to live here why cant our club be trendy ?
It's trendy DESPITE not BECAUSE of the football club. It attracts people because it is such a diverse, tolerant and bohemian place to live, and this means there are many more things to do than watch football, which you can easily do in 91 other towns if your want league football.
Agree 100%, and look what has happened to attendance at the DW, they had 14,000 for the visit of Chelsea a few weeks ago. It would be exactly the same for the Albion, and we do have history on this to back us up. After the euphoria of the initial season in the top flight, people then decide they are not prepared to pay £35 to watch the Albion fight it out for the coveted 16th position in the Prem against Birmingham/Wigan/West Brom/Blackpool etc, and attendances will drop like a stone.
In 1979/80 we averaged over 25,000, by November 1982 attendances were sub 10,000.
Welcom to the real world.
bhaexpress
New member
What you mean in the simplest terms is that Brighton is not a working class area, never has been. It's not steeped in Industrial History and thus the 'Traditional' outlet for the 'Working Man', sport, is not so prevalent here. There aren't many places the size of Brighton that don't have a past in the Industrial Revolution.
Well Chichester is also a city! Do you think they can end up as a mid-table Premiership team? Or Swansea maybe? There are cities my friend and there are CITIES.
And i'm not saying you're stupid as I'm not really sure what you're saying any more. Yes Chelsea were a 'mid table club', even lower than that at times. And yes we can be a 'mid table club'. But that won't make us 'bigger' than them (even if we get above them for a short while) in the same way as we weren't 'bigger' than them whilst we were having our temporary, four-year stay in the top division and they were in the second.
like i said we are a seaside city very trendy a lovely place to come for the weekend we wil havewa wonderful stadium why cant we become trendy
i can also see coporate boxes taking off mind you i said that we should cater
to the coporates 30 years ago good places to be so why does it not follow
that once we are in the ground playing very good football that we w1il be ve2ry trendy
i can see us selling a lot more prawn sarnies than man u
and not forgetting that prem football has been taken away from its working class roots look
the thing is i never really said we could be bigger than them
what i did say was that if they come back to where they once stood
i see no reason why we cant compet with them
be as big as they are at that time and for saying that people on here called me stupid perhaps my thought not explaining properly
but people know what i meant
drew
Drew
Comedy gold. And it goes on and on and on.
good for you macky for sticking to your guns. what's wrong with wanting something special. will be an adventure with TB in charge, so let's all just try and enjoy it because history tells us that, like ALL clubs other than the real giants of English football, they'll be some low times and high times ahead.
one other thing... somebody compared us to Wigan. please please please don't do this again - i suggest you brush up on your football history sir. wigan are tin-pot nothing club enjoying a fleeting but highly unusual period of glory. they still struggle for fans though.
one other thing... somebody compared us to Wigan. please please please don't do this again - i suggest you brush up on your football history sir. wigan are tin-pot nothing club enjoying a fleeting but highly unusual period of glory. they still struggle for fans though.
Johnny Byrne superstar
New member
so anyway... it was nice to see poyet get a clap and all.... 