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[Dick Knights Mumm]

Something I forgot to add is the vote should have been for industrial action.A work to rule or even a withdrawal of good will would be enough .

Work to rule ?

From this thread it sounds like this is what the management are after.

 

[London Calling]

Can anyone explain to me why as a resident household, our post is always delivered after 10, when no one is a home, like the majority of households at that time.

So any parcels, large letters have to go to a sorting office, then picked up, and often lost!

When businesses have prioritised post, but they are normally open 8-6, so can receive later post in the day?

 

[The Spanish]

Can anyone explain to me why as a resident household, our post is always delivered after 10, when no one is a home, like the majority of households at that time.

So any parcels, large letters have to go to a sorting office, then picked up, and often lost!

When businesses have prioritised post, but they are normally open 8-6, so can receive later post in the day?

because round your way it takes wave after wave of expendable postmen to create a bridgehead first?

 

[London Calling]

POints to add From talking to Posties now and ex- posties.

1. Management style is aggressive, poor, incompetent.

2. The service, where mail order companies get the Royal Mail to deliver their Post but at a lost to the RM, can someone explain that one to me.

3. The RM is a key public service, it does need a clear vision, a good management to implement this vision. A management that works with the workforce.

The RM is being trashed at the moment, the service is appalling. Who is their to defend and improve this workforce, if the present management are not up to it, I say the workforce and their representatives.

 

[London Calling]

because round your way it takes wave after wave of expendable postmen to create a bridgehead first?

Some deserve it, the number of items that get nicked is unreal, I had one item from Amazon nicked or disapeared three times, one made it back to Amazon as undelievered three months later.

 

[the wanderbus]

Work to rule ?

From this thread it sounds like this is what the management are after.

Work to rule would mean doing the job properly ,at the agreed speed with no cutting corners.
Do you really think that management want people to refuse overtime, take their full meal breaks, not start early ect? work would soon begin to pile up.

read through the thread again then have a little moment for thinking before you post bollocks.

 

[nail-Z]

By the way would anybody like to hazard a guess what the overtime rates are in this "well paid "job ?

Workers will be fortunate to get any sort of paid overtime these days in any industry so whatever the rates are they'll be more than most.

Long gone are the days where you get x1.5, x2 or even x3 your hourly rate, with a little extra thrown in the for the inconvenience.

 

[Stat Brother]

Can anyone explain to me why as a resident household, our post is always delivered after 10, when no one is a home, like the majority of households at that time.

So any parcels, large letters have to go to a sorting office, then picked up, and often lost!

When businesses have prioritised post, but they are normally open 8-6, so can receive later post in the day?

Because the moment we leave the office RM is unable to 'control' us.
So the theory is, the later we leave the nearer it is to the end of our working day, so there is less 'job and finish' time to be made.

So internally our staffing has been drastically.
As Wanderbus says RM haven't employed a 'full-time' member of staff for over 4 years.
As full timers leave IF they are replaced it is by people on 16 to 34 hour contracts, leaving those that remain to pick up the slack.

LC, I will pick up the other points, but Wifey is giving me ear ache to go out. I think she's management is disguise.

 

[Nibble]

Quite. The ones that take the piss are the binmen. Work one day a week and strike left, right and centre.

To be fair to binmen, I was listening to an interview with some of them on the radio about an hour ago and they are trying to reduce their wages from £18k to £12k. I don't think any of us would be too pleased at that.

Having said that 18k is not a bad wage for totally unskilled work.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Work to rule would mean doing the job properly ,at the agreed speed with no cutting corners.
Do you really think that management want people to refuse overtime, take their full meal breaks, not start early ect? work would soon begin to pile up.

read through the thread again then have a little moment for thinking before you post bollocks.

Yea - I knew it was. It was meant to be slightly amusing. I will stay out of this one.

 

[the wanderbus]

Workers will be fortunate to get any sort of paid overtime these days in any industry so whatever the rates are they'll be more than most.

Long gone are the days where you get x1.5, x2 or even x3 your hourly rate, with a little extra thrown in the for the inconvenience.

Which is fine if your on a decent hourly rate to start with. In Royal Mail some overtime rates are actually less than £2 above the national minimum wage!

 

[Curious Orange]

To be fair to binmen, I was listening to an interview with some of them on the radio about an hour ago and they are trying to reduce their wages from £18k to £12k. I don't think any of us would be too pleased at that.

Isn't that 'cos some nursery workers said that they had the same skill set as binmen and got the courts to agree, so now the council has to pay the binmen nursery workers wages? Or something...

 

[London Calling]

Because the moment we leave the office RM is unable to 'control' us.
So the theory is, the later we leave the nearer it is to the end of our working day, so there is less 'job and finish' time to be made.

So internally our staffing has been drastically.
As Wanderbus says RM haven't employed a 'full-time' member of staff for over 4 years.
As full timers leave IF they are replaced it is by people on 16 to 34 hour contracts, leaving those that remain to pick up the slack.

LC, I will pick up the other points, but Wifey is giving me ear ache to go out. I think she's management is disguise.

Good luck! On both counts.

 

[Stat Brother]

POints to add From talking to Posties now and ex- posties.

1. Management style is aggressive, poor, incompetent.
The 'joke' in our office is you only get to be a manager if you fail at being a postie. That takes some failing!

2. The service, where mail order companies get the Royal Mail to deliver their Post but at a lost to the RM, can someone explain that one to me.
The EU stated the monoply, across Europe, was unfair. We instantly fell into line, others eg Germany haven't (thanks Labour). Because of our 'final mile' overheads we can't complete with another service eg TNT, collecting from A and delivering maybe even just a few miles into the RM depot

3. The RM is a key public service, it does need a clear vision, a good management to implement this vision. A management that works with the workforce.
I'm trying to think of the 1970's 'comedy' were the workforce went on strike over the smallest thing. Well that's what it feels like.
The management are trying to bring in 30 years of modernising in 6 months, without really understanding what is actually needed. Every few months we get 'a new way of working' idea, and as it stands not one has ever worked, or even looked like it would. Because the people starting them are giving the impression of not understanding the job

The RM is being trashed at the moment, the service is appalling. Who is their to defend and improve this workforce, if the present management are not up to it, I say the workforce and their representatives.
Deffo but we need to be so careful, as already said, it's a different world between now and 2 years ago, and this isn't sitting comfortably.

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[folkestonesgull]

Striking is a massive risk and I can't see the public providing any support.

To me (and I have no specialist knowledge) it appears like the RM haven't got to grips with the fact they are operating in a competitive market now, if they strike companies such as Amazon, Play will go elsewhere, driving up overheads of RM and therefore leading to more changes and possible redundancies.

Are all of the union leaders living in a different world?

 

[London Calling]

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All Right Jack was it 1959?

 

[Stat Brother]

All Right Jack was it 1959?

Wasn't that the Peter Sellars film?

Maybe I'm mixing up all the dross like, On The Buses, et al, and creating a whole new Red Rob style comedy programme.

 

[Uncle C]

To be fair to binmen, I was listening to an interview with some of them on the radio about an hour ago and they are trying to reduce their wages from £18k to £12k. I don't think any of us would be too pleased at that.

The going rate for any job in this climate is the rate, below which, nobody will do it.

I would bet even at £12,000 per year they would be queing up round the block to do it.

 

[London Calling]

Wasn't that the Peter Sellars film?

Maybe I'm mixing up all the dross like, On The Buses, et al, and creating a whole new Red Rob style comedy programme.

Peter Sellers is correct.

Are you mixing it up with the porn classiic "Arthur Scargill gets laid (off)"?

 

[Stat Brother]

I guess we are getting a little off topic here LC.