Politically, are you left or right wing?

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Virtually every critic of the Gov on NSC would have probably done exactly the same but there you go ..

Initially, yes, and I said so on here.

But they knew what we didn't. Their 'strategy' was wrong and I was wrong to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I actually don't think the government understood the advice they were given.

A week after holding back on going full lockdown (because the government didn't trust the people to follow instrictions) Vallance said 20,000 deaths would be a good result.

Sending people in care homes 'home' to die without their families was an absolute disgrace.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You really do have a strange way of looking at the world which, in no small part, follows from what seems a dogmatic commitment to Marxism, and its (at best) questionable claims about social relations and historical understanding. What's worse is that somebody seems to be paying you for producing such views. About the only person I can think of that's daft enough and with access to sufficient money is Len McF*&^INGCluskey.

As to your point about left and right, there's something in it, but there's also a gaping hole. You state that the left want change, but change to what? Can you identify a leftist that is advocating a change to slavery, for instance? And you've cavorted yourself into such a strange position where you're siding with those that are trying to defend the memorialisation of slavers. And as to your other favourite topic, Lexit is an oxymoron, because the vast majority of Brexiters are Rexiters, and they are motivated not by conservatism (conserving what is) but by a reactionary politics, of which Farage is the most articulate exponent.

And all of this explains why you're not cunning, but merely the FergusFairy.

And proof that I don't put only the right wing broken clocks on ignore

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Mate come out of your brexiteering, right wing bubble and be more forward thinking.

One day mate perhaps we can share a nice warm Guiness, and we can chew it over and decide what a visionary I am.


Just heard Boris thanking your mate Rashford, perhaps you can see what a strong leader he is, doesn't dilly and dally, Boris just 'gets stuff done'.

 

[amexer]

I thought BJ came over well today. So did Sir Patrick Vallance but assume as he was appointed to his position by government many dont like or believe him either.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

One day mate perhaps we can share a nice warm Guiness, and we can chew it over and decide what a visionary I am.


Just heard Boris thanking your mate Rashford, perhaps you can see what a strong leader he is, doesn't dilly and dally, Boris just 'gets stuff done'.

Several points there mate.

1) Dont drink Guiness now......prefer IPA and craft ale.
2) Marcus/// sorry Rashford is not my mate and I hope he has a stinker against us. I do admit he is a nice lad and not your Billy big bollocks footballer.

3) If you think it was Boris's great leadership that made the Government do a U turn on free school dinners you are seriously in a Boris bubble so thick you will never see the man for what he truly is. ( IMHO of course)

I asked you to pm me your phone number so I can catch up with you....still waiting x x

 

[Badger Boy]

I thought BJ came over well today. So did Sir Patrick Vallance but assume as he was appointed to his position by government many dont like or believe him either.

Is it any wonder that he came out when there was a major breakthrough to discuss? He's nowhere when there's nothing overtly positive to discuss.

 

[Lever]

One day mate perhaps we can share a nice warm Guiness, and we can chew it over and decide what a visionary I am.


Just heard Boris thanking your mate Rashford, perhaps you can see what a strong leader he is, doesn't dilly and dally, Boris just 'gets stuff done'.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ive-over-axing-of-free-school-meals-23g9kdtz9

Apparently he does dilly and dally Mouldy.....

and then under pressure decides against getting (bad) stuff done.....

Did you miss that?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Interesting to see most are left. I can't be doing with that, I like just right of centre. I'm not racist, not a horrible person to be around... I assume, but I do like get up and goers, which is a slightly right of centre thing, I like entrepreneurs, the right tends to not hold onto the past.

 

[Lever]

Interesting to see most are left. I can't be doing with that, I like just right of centre. I'm not racist, not a horrible person to be around... I assume, but I do like get up and goers, which is a slightly right of centre thing, I like entrepreneurs, the right tends to not hold onto the past.

Meaning? Don't 'the right' want to hold on to statues from the distant past?
Evidence?

Oh and do 'get up and goers' offer a further review on race injustice when they have completed a comprehensive one a couple of years ago with recommendations that they have failed to implement?

 

[Machiavelli]

And proof that I don't put only the right wing broken clocks on ignore

If others haven't accused you of exercising wise judgment, can I?

 

[Bakero]

Not sure I ever mentioned a natural gravitation, where was that said?

My parents never talked politics with me, as I don't with my own young children, I do not preach to them about religion either; it's their choice. However, when it comes to football, they know the door will be shown to them for supporting Pompey or Palarse.

Most teachers are socks, and sandals backpackers aren't they?

My kids come home telling me stuff like we need to protest dad, teachers don't get enough holidays and things like that.
They also tend to be incredibly patronising.

Sorry I hope you are not a teacher.

Hey, I resent that. I'm a teacher but I'm definitely not a sock! Since March I've barely even worn socks. True, I've done my share of backpacking but never to a Sandals resort; a bit beyond my budget and all-inclusive isn't really my thing.

And as for patronising...maybe a little but only when it's deserved.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

My kids come home telling me stuff like teachers don't get enough holidays and things like that.

A sentence uttered by someone who wants to discredit teachers but never spoken by a teacher.

 

[zefarelly]

Leftwaffe?!

As a left of centre loony I've got to say that's f**king brilliant.

Leftwaffe or Leftwaffle? Either way its new to me and as you rightly say, F***ing brilliant.

 

[zefarelly]

You have a few bitter tories out there because they lost out, Hunt and Stewart are the stand out candidates, shame they were not so stand out to become a inspirational leader of the country when it came to the vote.



I think any Tory going into the staff room would probably get maimed by the hyenas on their first day. They have a nose for it.
Union-backed jobs tend also to brainwash the centre ground. It's constant brainwashing.
Block out the noise and make your own judgement call, would be my main advice, as I am sure your keen to know.

What? Stewart stood out like a sore thumb . . .the only one with a brain and any reasoned workable ideas, the rest are spinning lies and bullshit. The election was, nothing more than a brexit win for Boris, safe in the knowledge he had zero opposition.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

the right tends to not hold onto the past.

Like how they never mention the war?

 

[zefarelly]

Interesting to see most are left. I can't be doing with that, I like just right of centre. I'm not racist, not a horrible person to be around... I assume, but I do like get up and goers, which is a slightly right of centre thing, I like entrepreneurs, the right tends to not hold onto the past.

, I get up and go, and have done since I left school, worked hard, paid tax, never diddled anyone, nearly own all my own home, classic thatcher kid . . . . Who's always been left leaning, caring and sharing ( although TBH I'm losing that a bit as I approach 50 and realise half the country are f***ing selfish uncaring greedy intollerant c**ts.

I love a bit of modern history, particularly 20th century for all the engineering developments and style and music and a close enough reminder of The horrors of World war . . . . It had everything . . . . And we're throwing everything we learned as a nation down the drain.

What you said is bollocks, politically the right hang onto everything, for themselves, old and new. They're the least likely to invest for the future of the nation..

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Sorry, but this is all based on half-truths.

Speaking of half-truths ..

You ignore that they select which experts to advise them - amongst many, many dissenting voices.

The inference being they are all government handpicked yes men/women which is far from true.

Who is in Sage?

Sage comprises of leading lights in their representative fields from across the worlds of academia, public health and science.
They do not operate under government instruction and membership changes based on the expertise needed to address the crisis the country is faced with.
To make things slightly more complicated, Sage is made up of a series of subcommittees as well as ad-hoc subject specific groups that are called upon as needed.
In a letter to the Chair of the Science and Technology Select Committee Greg Clark at the beginning of April, Chief Scientific Advisor Sir Patrick Vallance said members of Sage and the expert groups came from over 20 different institutions who in turn considered research and papers from other “many sources including the Covid-19 Genomic UK Consortium, Imperial College London, London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, Manchester Epidemic Group and many academic, clinical and other groups".

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-16/sage-coronavirus-uk-government-lockdown/

You ignore that the previously independent SAGE committee had the active presence of Cummings foisted upon them, to the declared disquiet of many

You mean he turned up for a few meetings and the only input he supposedly had was to argue for the exact same thing you would have wanted ..

According to two people involved, Cummings played far more than a bystander’s role at a crucial SAGE meeting on March 18, as the panel discussed social distancing options to tackle the Covid-19 outbreak.
Speaking on condition of anonymity because the meetings are private, the people said Cummings asked why a lockdown was not being imposed sooner, swayed the discussion toward faster action, and made clear he thought pubs and restaurants should be closed within two days. They then were.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-s-johnson-pushed-scientists-to-back-lockdown

You ignore the about-turn in policy early on

The policy changed because the science/evidence changed.

You ignore that the scientific advisers have deliberately distanced themselves from various government announcements

Now you are moving on to more recent events not the failings in the initial government response which is what we (and Rory Stewart) were talking about.

You ignore the newspeak shift from 'Following the science', to 'Listening to the science'

Once again a more recent development.

To suggest that everyone now criticising the government, would have made the same decisions is embarrassing, when there are pages and pages and pages of discussion from every step of the process, where many of us have been arguing against the policies of the day. Absolutely ridiculous.

Yes, pages and pages of discussion all based on very limited knowledge and in most cases just ill-informed guesswork or opinions backed up by sources (if lucky) that only ever agree with one pov. The thought that NSC's finest or the Official opposition would have significantly diverged from the government's initial response after being made aware of all the data and facts as known at the time plus ignore SAGE recommendations and guidance is unlikely in my view. The fact that SNP Government and Labour Welsh government representatives (including N Sturgeon)who attended COBRA meetings didn't feel the need to criticise or diverge from the UK government in the early stages as they did in more recent times also suggests it wasn't blatantly obvious they were supposedly taking the wrong path.

Just to be crystal clear I am not saying the Government or SAGE or PHE have done a great job or denying that they have made many mistakes I just don't believe many of us would have taken significantly different decisions in the early days if presented with the same data, facts and expert advice.. sadly.

 

[Biscuit]

I was center-left. But the far-left have been so ludicrously intolerant in any online discourse I've definitely moved more to the center ground.

 

[zefarelly]

Just to be crystal clear I am not saying the Government or SAGE or PHE have done a great job or denying that they have made many mistakes I just don't believe many of us would have taken significantly different decisions in the early days if presented with the same data, facts and expert advice.. sadly.

If we had a 'mad commie' or sandal wearing tree hugger or whatever the latest mail/sun descriptoins are for the few half decent poiliticians we have , actually in charge . . . . I just wonder if they may have taken an NZ Style approach, nailed us in/out/down and led the way.

Just imagine if that had happened and we were now clear, in front of the rest of the world, and europe . . . Almost enough to put hundreds and thousands on the brexit turd.


Sadly not

One can but dream

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Like how they never mention the war?

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